Looking back-- Mike Mayock evaluates Jimmy Clausen before the draft

[monstercat]

According to who? He was like 30th on my draft board.

How is your draft board even relevent to this conversation? That's nothing more than your own personal opinion, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with what the professionals thought about Clausen's talent.

BTW, just out of curiosity, where did you have Pike on your board?

[R0CKnR0LLA]

hmm.. interesting that Mayock stated we should also start Gettis (amazed he was mentioned at all) and LaFell... Mike, what about that guy named Smitty?? Do we no longer start him or something?

I think he just means to use him as much as possible. Get the rookie some reps and experience for the future. LaFell the #2 (when he comes back) and Gettis the #3, probably moving LaFell or Smitty to the slot in 3 WR sets.

I could be wrong but I think that was more about moving on from Dwayne Jarrett than benching Smitty.

[Falcons1stPanthers2nd]

How is your draft board even relevent to this conversation? That's nothing more than your own personal opinion, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with what the professionals thought about Clausen's talent.

BTW, just out of curiosity, where did you have Pike on your board?

Not even in the first 3 rounds. And my board tends to be pretty accurate. I'm a bit of a draft nut and "professionals" is very loosely used here. I actually did have Clausen as the #1 QB though. Sam Bradford=Bust.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

FWIW I didn't have Pike on my entire board. I wouldn't have drafted the guy with the last pick in the 7th round. But hey, that's just me.

[Falcons1stPanthers2nd]

FWIW I didn't have Pike on my entire board. I wouldn't have drafted the guy with the last pick in the 7th round. But hey, that's just me.

Yeah. I think he'll become a good backup in time. Nothing more.

[Pox 08]

yes, because teams always draft players in the correct spot. see Jamarcus Russel, Matt Leinart, Ryan Leaf, etc, etc, etc. try again.

Add in Mark Sanchez and Matt Ryan. #5 overall in '09 and #3 overall in '08?

[monstercat]

Not even in the first 3 rounds. And my board tends to be pretty accurate. I'm a bit of a draft nut and "professionals" is very loosely used here. I actually did have Clausen as the #1 QB though. Sam Bradford=Bust.

Well, pretty much every professional that I heard or read about, had Clausen as a 1st round talent, at least, even if they didn't have him being picked in the 1st round.

Anyway, you seem to be putting an awful lot of stock on your own draft guru abilities, for somebody who doesn't have access to, or the time and/or the coaching experience to evaluate all the game film that the real professionals are privy to.

[Falcons1stPanthers2nd]

Well, pretty much every professional that I heard or read about, had Clausen as a 1st round talent, at least, even if they didn't have him being picked in the 1st round.

Anyway, you seem to be putting an awful lot of stock on your own draft guru abilities, for somebody who doesn't have access to, or the time and/or the coaching experience to evaluate all the game film that the real professionals are privy to.

I did have him 1st round talent #30.

Yep. Time has been an issue lately. I watch a lot of football and not just to watch. I like to see things.

I can tell you why i think Bradford will bust. Extremely accurate. Tends to stare down his first read and doesn't have the arm strength to make up for it. Footwork is mediocre at best. Never took snaps under center except for running plays. If all it was was hit the target then Bradford would be perfect but it's not. In the National Title game against UF me and another guy that helps me make a board counted how many times he went to his 2nd read. Twice. all game.

[SCP]

I did have him 1st round talent #30.

Yep. Time has been an issue lately. I watch a lot of football and not just to watch. I like to see things.

I can tell you why i think Bradford will bust. Extremely accurate. Tends to stare down his first read and doesn't have the arm strength to make up for it. Footwork is mediocre at best. Never took snaps under center except for running plays. If all it was was hit the target then Bradford would be perfect but it's not. In the National Title game against UF me and another guy that helps me make a board counted how many times he went to his 2nd read. Twice. all game.

Sounds like Matt Moore this year. Although, when Matt did go to his second read it was thrown 10 yards out of bounds.

Still can't figure out how so much changed from end of '09 to now with Matt...

Oh well, lets go Gherkin

[panthers55]

hmm.. interesting that Mayock stated we should also start Gettis (amazed he was mentioned at all) and LaFell... Mike, what about that guy named Smitty?? Do we no longer start him or something?

He was saying start all the rookies which makes this a throw away year and get ready for either 2011 or 2012 depending if there is a lockout. Easy for him to say.

[scpanther22]

I did have him 1st round talent #30.

Yep. Time has been an issue lately. I watch a lot of football and not just to watch. I like to see things.

I can tell you why i think Bradford will bust. Extremely accurate. Tends to stare down his first read and doesn't have the arm strength to make up for it. Footwork is mediocre at best. Never took snaps under center except for running plays. If all it was was hit the target then Bradford would be perfect but it's not. In the National Title game against UF me and another guy that helps me make a board counted how many times he went to his 2nd read. Twice. all game.

But what makes your draft board more reliable than the numerous NFL guys that think Clausen is a top 10 talent

[monstercat]

I did have him 1st round talent #30.

Yep. Time has been an issue lately. I watch a lot of football and not just to watch. I like to see things.

I can tell you why i think Bradford will bust. Extremely accurate. Tends to stare down his first read and doesn't have the arm strength to make up for it. Footwork is mediocre at best. Never took snaps under center except for running plays. If all it was was hit the target then Bradford would be perfect but it's not. In the National Title game against UF me and another guy that helps me make a board counted how many times he went to his 2nd read. Twice. all game.

Well, I kind of had the same thoughts about Bradford, and I would add that I never saw him throw the long ball at all at Oklahoma. I will always go with a pro style QB first anyway. These spread offenses are making it really hard to evaluate some of these guys and it has produced a lot of busts because even the experts tend to fall in love with the video game-like numbers sometimes.

Anyway, I believe Jimmy Clausen will be a good one. He still has a lot to learn about dealing with NFL defenses, but he has all the basic skills and the leadership ability, IMO.

[MadHatter]

If he was a top 10 prospect he wouldn't have fell to the 2nd round. Good try.

Or that Alex Smith is a better QB than Rogers?

Or that Tom Brady was a 5th Rd Pick?

Or that Kurt Warner was not worth drafting?

All draft analysts get it right...like Russell was a franchise QB?

Thanks for playing....f**king idiot.

[RoachKiller]

Add in Mark Sanchez and Matt Ryan. #5 overall in '09 and #3 overall in '08?

Plus Jason Campbell, Alex Smith and Vince Young are great. Chad Henne is a scrub too.