Panthers do everything possible to avoid starting Dwayne Jarrett

[CRA]

I see you totally forgot me

well, you have me beat on a technicality. He got starter reps in a handful of games he didn't start .....he started games he didn't actually play much in. I was confusing the games he saw legit action in as if he was a starter. So you are right.

Like the NO games last year, he was techically the starter in the first matchup and not the final game. However, he got the game reps in the final game. Same thing with the SD game without Smith....he got a lot of reps that game and was used heavily. I was wrong, I was going of memory of the games....as his techincal starts didn't add up to chances....like that Tampa 08 game they didn't play him hardly even though it shows a start.

[rayzor]

Fox isn't the one decieding who stays or goes. That should be known by now. There are some in the organization that like Jarrett....and that is why he stays. Fox doesn't like him so Fox sits his a$$ on the bench.

but that is retarded logic and a waste of a spot. Jarrett should have been cut and another body brought in. One of many signs Jerry Richardson mailed the season keeping Fox.

so why is it that fox doesn't like him? please enlighten us.

there has to be a reason. if there isn't then you lose.

i can give you a few:

1) he just isn't very good

2) he's lazy

3) he doesn't have a clue what he's doing

4) he's slow to grasp the offense

5) he's got that stupid spike sticking out of his lip that he can never remember to take out (grasping at straws here)

you have any that are better?

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Fox has this weird thing where he holds grudges against players that are too lazy to learn the playbook after 3 years. So unfair!!!

[CRA]

so why is it that fox doesn't like him? please enlighten us.

there has to be a reason. if there isn't then you lose.

i can give you a few:

1) he just isn't very good

2) he's lazy

3) he doesn't have a clue what he's doing

4) he's slow to grasp the offense

5) he's got that stupid spike sticking out of his lip that he can never remember to take out (grasping at straws here)

you have any that are better?

I don't know.....but some guys Fox likes and plays even when they aren't producing and other options exist.

Matt Moore could never get on the field...and people on this forum posted the same type reasons as Jarrett. No drive, couldn't learn the playbook, etc. Fox would play Moore in 07 and 09 when his back was against the wall and had no choice. Moore ain't a Fox guy....say what you want, but 9 starts into your NFL career you don't bench a QB with promise b/c of 6 quarters when his previous one looked like they did. You don't bench him if you truelly are giving him a legit shot.

- I judge Jarrett based on his reps he gets.....they have looked good. Reports from people who openly dislike him claim people are high on him in the organization.....funny how he never mentions Fox is one of them.

Fox is just a bad coach. Jarrett doesn't fit Fox's predicable you know what we are doing now stop us offense. Since Fox won't play him he should be let go.....but he simply has shown to be the garbage WR the board claims.

All the basis that he is garbage is Fox isn't playing him so he must be bad....then stuff is make reasons. See Moore as another example in 2009. Fox has proven him starting or sitting guys doesn't mean much....he has proven the best guy for the job doesn't always get the reps. The guys he wants to be the best get the reps.

all that said, Jarrett should be cut. B/c no matter if you think he has potential or is garbage. It is hurting the team by keeping a spot filled that the coach won't use.

[HPPantherzfan]

I don't know.....but some guys Fox likes and plays even when they are producing and other options exist.

Matt Moore could never get on the field...and people on this forum posted the same type reasons as Jarrett. No drive, couldn't learn the playbook, etc. Fox would play Moore in 07 and 09 when his back was against the wall and had no choice. Moore ain't a Fox guy....say what you want, but 9 starts into your NFL career you don't bench a QB with promise b/c of 6 quarters when his previous one looked like they did. You don't bench him if you truelly are giving him a legit shot.

- I judge Jarrett based on his reps he gets.....they have looked good. Reports from people who openly dislike him claim people are high on him in the organization.....funny how he never mentions Fox is one of them.

Fox is just a bad coach. Jarrett doesn't fit Fox's predicable you know what we are doing now stop us offense. Since Fox won't play him he should be let go.....but he simply has shown to be the garbage WR the board claims.

All the basis that he is garbage is Fox isn't playing him so he must be bad....then stuff is make reasons. See Moore as another example in 2009. Fox has proven him starting or sitting guys doesn't mean much....he has proven the best guy for the job doesn't always get the reps. The guys he wants to be the best get the reps.

all that said, Jarrett should be cut. B/c no matter if you think he has potential or is garbage. It is hurting the team by keeping a spot filled that the coach won't use.

Hmm just thought about something; I have noticed a lot of people asking why we kept him around this year...I'm one of those guys, I'm not a Jarrett fan at all, but the fact is...he is still here.

With what CRA is saying about Jarrett not being a "Fox guy" but yet the front office likes him has me asking myself; did someone in the FO make Fox keep Jarrett? Regardless of what Fox wanted to do? Could it be JR wants to give the new, incoming, Head Coach the opportunity to evaluate and decide if Jarrett can be a valuable part of the team?

Hmmm now that I typed that I have to wonder if that is why JR hasn't redone other contracts that ends this year...is he pretty much saying "here new coach, here are the players you can pick and choose from, have at it"?

[rayzor]

I don't know.....

thats pretty much what i thought. you didn't need to say anything else. you have no reasons for it other than fox just doesn't' like some people.

that's weak sauce you're bringing to the table.

all that said, Jarrett should be cut. B/c no matter if you think he has potential or is garbage. It is hurting the team by keeping a spot filled that the coach won't use.

this i can agree on.

[CRA]

Hmm just thought about something; I have noticed a lot of people asking why we kept him around this year...I'm one of those guys, I'm not a Jarrett fan at all, but the fact is...he is still here.

With what CRA is saying about Jarrett not being a "Fox guy" but yet the front office likes him has me asking myself; did someone in the FO make Fox keep Jarrett? Regardless of what Fox wanted to do? Could it be JR wants to give the new, incoming, Head Coach the opportunity to evaluate and decide if Jarrett can be a valuable part of the team?

Hmmm now that I typed that I have to wonder if that is why JR hasn't redone other contracts that ends this year...is he pretty much saying "here new coach, here are the players you can pick and choose from, have at it"?

It ain't Fox's call who stays or goes right now. If Fox had his way Hoover would be leading the way for his RBs for Fox's farewell season. Jake would be on this roster.

Like I said, Gantt is a Jarrett hater...but even he admits Jarrett has a lot of fans in the organization (but never mentions Fox). You aren't a lazy dumb garbage WR to hang around this long and have those type folks high on you. People continue to ignore these little things and only want to focus on Fox not giving him reps as the ultimate sign.

Richardson is gonna give the new coach a super young roster and he can keep the promising ones and bring in what he needs. We don't know the type pieces a new coach will need for his actual legit modern offense.

[MaineManPanther]

What would be the point in the "others" in the FO making Fox keep Jarrett when those others must know Fox "hates" him and thus not start him. Why don't they just make Fox start him?

[Jrock3016]

Hmm just thought about something; I have noticed a lot of people asking why we kept him around this year...I'm one of those guys, I'm not a Jarrett fan at all, but the fact is...he is still here.

With what CRA is saying about Jarrett not being a "Fox guy" but yet the front office likes him has me asking myself; did someone in the FO make Fox keep Jarrett? Regardless of what Fox wanted to do? Could it be JR wants to give the new, incoming, Head Coach the opportunity to evaluate and decide if Jarrett can be a valuable part of the team?

Hmmm now that I typed that I have to wonder if that is why JR hasn't redone other contracts that ends this year...is he pretty much saying "here new coach, here are the players you can pick and choose from, have at it"?

I am a jarrett fan and do see his potential. We all should be this open-minded. This is a possibility

[Barry Salinger]

This is just crazy. Dewayne Jarret is awful. If he wasn't, Fox would give him the reps. Fox LOVES veteran players and w/ 3 years in the system he is a vet WR. Foxs' last contract year, I dont care what anyone thinks, he's gonna try and keep his job. I mean I cant see him thinking to himself "I cant wait until I can leave here to coach Cleveland, or Oakland, or St. Louis.'' B/c lets be honest those will be his choices.

[Urrymonster]

Isn't Jarrett in the last year of his rookie deal? He is a FA agent after this season, so 'keeping him around for the next coach' is illogical, because they will have to extend him to keep him...

There is literally no logical spin you can put on this to explain the Jarrett situation.

-If Fox refuses to play him, then the FO will recognise this and either force Fox's hand or cut Jarrett. No other coach will get the chance to coach him

-If he really is that bad/lazy/stupid then he would have been cut

-If they see he is a player for specific plays, then he would feature more

-If the FO thought Gettis was the better player, then why deactive HIM instead of Jarrett in week 1

As it is, they are coming across as...stupid? Almost like they do not want to admit a mistake? I dunno, it's a really weird and unreadable situation

[Jrock3016]

This is just crazy. Dewayne Jarret is awful. If he wasn't, Fox would give him the reps. Fox LOVES veteran players and w/ 3 years in the system he is a vet WR. Foxs' last contract year, I dont care what anyone thinks, he's gonna try and keep his job. I mean I cant see him thinking to himself "I cant wait until I can leave here to coach Cleveland, or Oakland, or St. Louis.'' B/c lets be honest those will be his choices.

Those teams look better than what we did when Fox first came here.

[HPPantherzfan]

Isn't Jarrett in the last year of his rookie deal? He is a FA agent after this season, so 'keeping him around for the next coach' is illogical, because they will have to extend him to keep him...

There is literally no logical spin you can put on this to explain the Jarrett situation.

-If Fox refuses to play him, then the FO will recognise this and either force Fox's hand or cut Jarrett. No other coach will get the chance to coach him

-If he really is that bad/lazy/stupid then he would have been cut

-If they see he is a player for specific plays, then he would feature more

-If the FO thought Gettis was the better player, then why deactive HIM instead of Jarrett in week 1

As it is, they are coming across as...stupid? Almost like they do not want to admit a mistake? I dunno, it's a really weird and unreadable situation

Well that’s not necessarily true; bare with me while I try to explain my feelings since I thought about this.

Yes, Jarrett is in the last year of a rookie contract, and YES he is a FA after this season. But "keeping him around for the next coach" still makes sense. Hypothetical situation; new coach comes in and gets a list of players whose contracts are up, which is more than a few. Jerry lets the NEW coach decide who he would like to keep around, thus a new contract will be offered to said people. Now, he doesn't have to sign of course but most players would be excited by the opportunity to play for a new coach and let’s face it, Jarrett has done nothing to DEMAND top dollar from any other team? I personally believe if we would have fired Fox at the end of last season we would still have Peppers, whether that’s a good or bad thing is your opinion but a new coach always inspires players!

Now, you ask why not make Fox start him? Good question, I believe its because this is Foxes ship to sink, JR is letting Fox do his HC thing but JR is making all the personnel decisions. Not to mention, IF this is true and its a Fox / Jarrett thing...can you imagine how bad Fox would make Jarrett’s life if Fox was forced to play him? I mean really, why would Fox care? He is gone after this year anyway! In a way, the FO has forced Foxes hand, they didn't offer him an extended contract. In other words, Jerry to Fox: "John, I'm not going to fire you but I'm not going to keep you around after this year. Go ahead and do what you do but you are no longer in charge of personnel decision. Have a nice life after the season".

I'm in the camp that DOES believe he is that bad, but I can see where you're coming from...why not cut him? It is an interesting question.

Don't wanna comment on play calling, that’s a sore subject right now

Well, Jarrett was active as well, it wasn't like he was made inactive and he did play...Fox has the power to not start or play someone but maybe not the power to make DJ inactive

Again, I'm reaching here but it does sound feasible

[Car123]

Maybe it was Hurney's decision to not cut him after preseason. Fox probably did not want him on the team... That's why he's not getting play time