Is Jon Gruden the best fit?

[Mr. Scot]

Gruden took a team from a Super Bowl to sustained mediocrity.

He also handled quarterbacks like a fan playing madden, bringing in new guys every year. I'm sure there are plenty who would love that approach (setting aside the fact that it doesn't actually work) :nonod:

Throw in that per reports, by the end of his last season a pretty sizable portion of the Bucs roster hated his guts, especially the defensive guys. Hearing that Monte Kiffin was departing was the last straw for some of them. They wanted no part of playing for Gruden without Kiffin as a buffer.

The whole "Chucky" persona may be fun for fans, but when you have to work for that guy, it gets old.

Best thing Gruden can do right now is stay in the booth. That way he can have fans proclaiming him a genius for the next 20 years without his ever having to prove it.

[House]

Ever heard of someone a somewhat unknown QB named Brett Favre? I didn't think so. Just some nobody that Gruden coached up in Green Bay several years ago.

Yeah, forgot about Brett Favre. Of course I was under the impression that WR coaches don't really teach up QB's.

This is great news for Tyke Tolbert though, because now if Jimmy does become a great NFL QB, Tolbert will be able to ride the greatness of Jimmy even though he has no affiliation with his coaching. If Jimmy flops then, hey, he was the WR coach, not the QB coach.

also gruden was instrumental in the early development of matt hasselback and aaron brooks

This is also amazing news!!! Gruden had the time to be the HC for the Oakland Raiders and still developed the young QB's for the Green Bay Packers!

Or maybe both of you are just spouting poo out of your ass and have no idea what you are talking about.

[Fiz]

This is also amazing news!!! Gruden had the time to be the HC for the Oakland Raiders and still developed the young QB's for the Green Bay Packers!

ack got my years wrong

also house wide receiver coaches do in fact work with young quarterbacks, as do pretty much every other offensive coach.

[rayzor]

reminder that "dungy's defense" couldn't do a thing without Gruden's offense, which included a brand new system and quarterback.

it's not like he had any say in being traded. he wound up in a situation and made the best of it. turns out what he managed was more than the Panthers have ever accomplished.

it probably helped that the raiders were using the offensive playbook that gruden wrote. kind of an unfair advantage you'd think. not unethical llike taping practices as it had more to do with the raiders being dumb enough to use it. still...i'm not sure that the bucs would have pulled it off had they not known the raiders playbook.

[Fiz]

they had the best defense in the league against plenty of offenses they didn't have the playbook for. they didn't need bill callahan's help.

honestly all he would have had to do was change their audibles but lol nope. then he freaked out, changed the entire offense, destroyed what they'd been doing, then went and ruined a college team.

what a weird dude.

[panthers55]

One of the interesting stories about Gruden will be what did he learn from his firing and subsequent break from football. Just like it will be interesting to see what Fox does differently at his next gig compared to this one.

Gruden had success in most venues at an early age. In Oakland he had a 40-28 win lost record which hasn't been approached since. Even in Tampa early he had very good success winning the Super Bowl. So much success at a young age can be formula for problems and I think it was for Gruden.

Whether or not he is a great offensive mind is not even an issue. When he left the Bucs he spend 9 months going around to pro and college teams and their coordinators learning everything he could about the spread offense and related offensive issues.

The real question I would want to know in hiring him would be what did he learn from getting fired and what would he do differently this time around. There are a lot of coaches who struggled with their first or second teams only to do a great job down the road implementing what they learned from the past.

Is he a great fit? Depends of whether he is still wanting to be Chucky in Tampa or whether he has learned and matured from the experience. On another note, he wasn't exactly give much talent to work with either in Tampa. I suspect he would have more talent and tools to work with here and would probably like the opportunity to pound Tampa twice a year.

[House]

ack got my years wrong

also house wide receiver coaches do in fact work with young quarterbacks, as do pretty much every other offensive coach.

Yeah, I know that WR coaches work with young QB's teaching them about route trees and what his WRs are going to be doing in certain coverages. However, to say that Gruden being the WR coach in GB was the reason Favre turned into a great QB is at best suspect thinking at worst just stupid logic.

[Fiz]

well you responded to a girl's post i mean what were you expecting

[HPPantherzfan]

well you responded to a girl's post i mean what were you expecting

/popcorn, this will not end good

[Dpantherman]

All I know is i want a young fiery inspired HC. preferably, one that can bring some offense with him

[Peppers90 NC]

Gruden is definitely on my short list. He loves to run the ball and gets creative in the passing game. Good possibility he wouldn't even touch the defense and keep Meeks. he could develop Clausen and Moore to their potential if Matt is back next year.

The QB jokes are just stupid, look what he had to work with in TB those last couple years, yea of course he is going to bring in bodies to make it a competition, funny you guys hated Fox for not doing so.

[guyinchesapeake]

No to Chuckie!

No, no, no.

Hell no!

*@ no!