Charlie Campbell Pt. 3

[Shocker]

Our LB crew is terrible.  I think it will be Williams (they seem to like bigger edge guys) atp cuz you can’t run a 3-4 with shet LBs.  Obviously need serious upgrades and more than 1

Edited Tuesday at 03:45 AM by Shocker

[Loyalty4Life]

Williams also would be great as a traditional 4-3 DE so after we win the Superbowl this year and Evero is stolen away we don't have to stay with his 3-4 defense.

[WhoKnows]

23 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

…the film doesn’t lie…RAS scores do…RAS is part of the eval…but it is the film that tells the story

Film can lie. Greg Little had great stats coming out. It was his combine drills and testing that showed that he didn’t really have the athleticism and balance to make it in the NFL. Trey Smith’s RAS score showed the difference between him and Deonte Brown because both were pre-draft day 2 guys.

Our problem is our recent/current GMs/scouts haven’t shown the ability to use all of the data to confirm that a good tape guy can transition to the NFL or a good athlete can transition because he wasn’t used right or in the best scheme.

We seem to take one of the pieces of data and run with that and ignore the other pieces. The good, consistent drafting teams seem to know what works well for them and how to find those good players.

[BrianS]

I saw an interview yesterday with Mike Mayock talking about edge rushers in the draft this year.  Mayock is saying that he actually has Walker ranked above Carter.  His reasoning was that because of the way Georgia used him, Walker actually had fewer pass rush opportunities.  In Mayock's opinion, when Walker got his chance to rush, he was possibly more effective than Carter.

I really like the idea of getting a guy like this.  If we can get a guy to impact the QB, along with all our other changes, Evero is out of excuses.

[Loyalty4Life]

2 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

Film can lie. Greg Little had great stats coming out. It was his combine drills and testing that showed that he didn’t really have the athleticism and balance to make it in the NFL. Trey Smith’s RAS score showed the difference between him and Deonte Brown because both were pre-draft day 2 guys.

Our problem is our recent/current GMs/scouts haven’t shown the ability to use all of the data to confirm that a good tape guy can transition to the NFL or a good athlete can transition because he wasn’t used right or in the best scheme.

We seem to take one of the pieces of data and run with that and ignore the other pieces. The good, consistent drafting teams seem to know what works well for them and how to find those good players.

 

Everyone has that problem.  Everyone does all their homework but then you have to make a decision and the reality is that no one knows who can play in the NFL until you've played in the NFL.  Film, stats, combine, watching players in person, interviews, talking to coaches.  Every team does all of that. 

It's only in hindsight when a guy with average tape but a great RAS score, or vice versa,  turns out to be elite that we say that team was able to see the whole picture and make the right decision.

We, as fans, get a lot of the work done for us because of hype, media and everyone giving you a short list of who's the best at the start.  If we didn't have media telling us who is good most of us would be drafting 4th rounders in the 1st and 1st rounders in the 3rd.

There is this idea called "Signal to noise".  The signal is the truth.  The noise is everything else that really doesn't matter.  The problem is when there the more noise (or variable) the more difficult it is to get a clear signal.

The NFL draft and picking the right players is 60 to 80 percent noise.  It's even worse because the signal you're really looking for isn't even really there.  It's a projection.

 

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, BrianS said:

I saw an interview yesterday with Mike Mayock talking about edge rushers in the draft this year.  Mayock is saying that he actually has Walker ranked above Carter.  His reasoning was that because of the way Georgia used him, Walker actually had fewer pass rush opportunities.  In Mayock's opinion, when Walker got his chance to rush, he was possibly more effective than Carter.

I really like the idea of getting a guy like this.  If we can get a guy to impact the QB, along with all our other changes, Evero is out of excuses.

I really believe the "gap" between Carter and the field is nonexistent. I just don't see solid logic behind it. I think everyone has Micah Parsons on the mind and thinks he will be 2.0. I don't believe that at all.

We will see if I am right about it. 

[amcoolio]

I'd rather have Walker than Carter. Carter gives me Chase Young vibes

[amcoolio]

The two blue chippers that you want go to war with in our range are Walker and the TE Warren. Bryce likes throwing to tight ends and Warren is a true Greg Olsen type TE. It's worth the gamble. Having an elite TE has proven to be a winning formula in the NFL

[rebelrouser]

34 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

The two blue chippers that you want go to war with in our range are Walker and the TE Warren. Bryce likes throwing to tight ends and Warren is a true Greg Olsen type TE. It's worth the gamble. Having an elite TE has proven to be a winning formula in the NFL

Drafting a tight end in the first round is a crap shoot. Bowers was great Hockenson was pretty good but Pitts and Fant weren't.  

[WhoKnows]

11 hours ago, Loyalty4Life said:

 

Everyone has that problem.  Everyone does all their homework but then you have to make a decision and the reality is that no one knows who can play in the NFL until you've played in the NFL.  Film, stats, combine, watching players in person, interviews, talking to coaches.  Every team does all of that. 

It's only in hindsight when a guy with average tape but a great RAS score, or vice versa,  turns out to be elite that we say that team was able to see the whole picture and make the right decision.

We, as fans, get a lot of the work done for us because of hype, media and everyone giving you a short list of who's the best at the start.  If we didn't have media telling us who is good most of us would be drafting 4th rounders in the 1st and 1st rounders in the 3rd.

There is this idea called "Signal to noise".  The signal is the truth.  The noise is everything else that really doesn't matter.  The problem is when there the more noise (or variable) the more difficult it is to get a clear signal.

The NFL draft and picking the right players is 60 to 80 percent noise.  It's even worse because the signal you're really looking for isn't even really there.  It's a projection.

 

That’s a lot of words to really not say much. Everyone doesn’t have that issue. You are trying to act like our scouts and GMs are doing everything right and it’s just a flip of a coin. It’s funny because I know in the 2021 (our best recent draft lol) there were two OL that many of us in here wanted because A) we all thought our OL was the biggest issue (it was) and B) we had easy chances to get a top C and a talented day 2 guard who dropped due to a medical concern.

We got TMJ and a long snapper who didn’t make the team instead of Humphrey and Smith. The team who got the two OL? Kansas City, who went on to win 2 SBs with them after losing the 2020 SB due to their bad OL.

It’s not just noise and everyone isn’t the same. If you really think our GMs/scouts are on the same level as the Chiefs, Eagles and Ravens to name a few, and that they just have better luck then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

Edited Wednesday at 04:29 AM by WhoKnows

[mrcompletely11]

14 hours ago, rebelrouser said:

Drafting a tight end in the first round is a crap shoot. Bowers was great Hockenson was pretty good but Pitts and Fant weren't.  

Hockenson sucks

[rebelrouser]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Hockenson sucks

Tyler Warren seems to be more Hockenson than Bowers, which is why i don't feel good about him at 8.  

[mrcompletely11]

16 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

Tyler Warren seems to be more Hockenson than Bowers, which is why i don't feel good about him at 8.  

For whatever reason it takes a ton of time for guys like that to produce in the nfl.  Someone smarter then me can explain it but the proof is in the pudding