Has Fox wore out his welcome???

[AKPantherFan]

Yeah we had Carr but we also had Moore! In 2003 he got Jake off the bench, he should have done that with Moore last year earlier. Carr was the worst move since Fox arrived. 7-9 was acceptable for the circumstances. On a side note when I was watching the Cards game I kept thinking damn is it too late to get Vinny back?

Fox' seasons in nutshell:

2002 - Building

2003 - Best ever

2004 - Steve Smith injury

2005 - NFCCG, was down to Nick Going's as RB

2006 - 8-8, Keyshawn couldn't replace Moose

2007 - Jake injury

2008 - 12-4, not comfortable being favored on the playoffs ......oh and the defensive scheme is horrific!

2002 - Building

2003 - Best ever

2004 - injury bug buries team

2005 - NFCCG,lucky, backed into the playoffs because of a weak NFC

2006 - 8-8, crap locker room - no RB/LINE/ umm bad FO decisions

2007 - Jake injury- retarded offense and defense, lots of injuries

2008 - 12-4, nail biter too many times, defense was GONE

The last 2 seasons our defense has finished around 18th in the NFL.

Like Fox always says; "its not how you start, its how you finish"

still NO back to back winning seasons. Thats the biggest on in my book. Hell you can lose 7 games and still accomplish that.

[Delhommey]

2008 - Best Offense Ever (with a nod to 99)

2005 - Best Defense Ever (with a nod to 96)

2003 - Luckiest Team Ever

[AKPantherFan]

I just want consistency with this team.

My motto for John Fox has always been; "the only thing he has been consistent with is, being inconsistent".

Sad but True.

I like Fox and repect him, but his 50/50 attitude is getting real old.

[MyDrunkardNC]

2002 - Building

2003 - Best ever

2004 - injury bug buries team

2005 - NFCCG,lucky, backed into the playoffs because of a weak NFC

2006 - 8-8, crap locker room - no RB/LINE/ umm bad FO decisions

2007 - Jake injury- retarded offense and defense, lots of injuries

2008 - 12-4, nail biter too many times, defense was GONE

The last 2 seasons our defense has finished around 18th in the NFL.

Like Fox always says; "its not how you start, its how you finish"

still NO back to back winning seasons. Thats the biggest on in my book. Hell you can lose 7 games and still accomplish that.

Disagree with your assessment of the 2005 season. An 11-5 season is not just luck (although luck is certainly involved with any season). Also, those two road playoff wins were just awesome. And required some fine game plans and execution by the players. A lot more than luck involved with those.

[redsandy29]

We don't owe Fox a damn thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(1) He makes millions of dollars;(2) Fox's coaching and time management caused us the Super Bowl; (3)The Panthers got where they were in 03 in spite of Fox;(4) If that's the case, then Tampa should have owed Gruden a life-long contract.

[raleigh-panther]

I liked Fox at the beginning.

He was younger, he was tougher, he was hungerier.

I don't see any of that now.

He has a 'just glad to be here' attitude and it seems to have spilled over to his players.

Do I think he's a good man, of course, that was never in question.

Would I be glad if he got fire, no, not at this point in the Not For Long league; but, sometimes, change is good, for the coach and the team.

Dungy was let go, and he didn't do too badly...too think Dungy could've been the Panthers coach and Fox was chosen.

I just think Fox is too comfortable now, got his big contract, and just has no fire that translates to a tough game plan. On Defense, which is supposedly his forte, a major disappontment.

At the end of the day, only JRs opinion matters; but, this is the 2nd NFC conference game in which the Panthers have been obliterated...not lost by a TD, just flat out obliterated. There is something wrong with that...along with 10+ wins against weak competition and 8 or less against stronger competition fillowing the weak season.

[Beason52]

The Gruden example isn't exactly the same. Dungy set that team up and Gruden pretty much came in and took over and drove them home. Fox came in AFTER going 1-15 and took them to the Super Bowl two years later. Fox changed the culture and our expectations. Just like if the new Lions coach turns things around that fast Detroit will always feel obligated to him. I understand what you are saying and I in fact think there should be some kind of change. The old saying was if a coach couldn't win in 10 years at a team it was time to move on. Most of the time anyway it takes a head coach his second job to win. So with that Fox will probably win wherever he goes after us FWIW.

[carpanfan96]

I haven't seen fire out of Fox in a while, he's just like it is what it is and we picked a bad day to have a bad day. we'll be back and go back to practicing like everyone else does. yada yada yada.......

[AKPantherFan]

Disagree with your assessment of the 2005 season. An 11-5 season is not just luck (although luck is certainly involved with any season). Also, those two road playoff wins were just awesome. And required some fine game plans and execution by the players. A lot more than luck involved with those.

The 05 team was fun (especialy the playoffs!!!) but we were so thin that IMO it was luck. (helps steve smith and delhomme were ON FIRE)

That season was ALL STEVE SMITH

But Thats the LAST time i seen Fox have this team play insane football. shutout the giants and then wooped the bears!

great times!

[Kevin Greene]

Fans are like fickle girlfriends sometimes. Even if they've got a great guy already, they just can't help getting infatuated with someone new

Change just for the sake of change isn't a good thing. There is something to be said for continuity.

Bottom line for me? it wouldn't kill me if Fox were suddenly replaced, but I really don't see it happening, nor do I think there are strong reasons why it should.

I think a lot of Panther fans are frustrated with the Fox play not to lose perception.

Same thing happened in San Diego. Schottenheimer an excellent coach got blown out after a 14-2, one and done playoff season. Marty wa so damned conservative in the post season.

When the CHargers finally blew out Marty they waited so long all the good coaches had been locked up hence they were stuck with Norv Turner. If the Panthers are going to replace Fox do it now, or preferably just blow out TRGO and maybe look at assitants in Tampa (ex) or Philly, Herm Edwards etc.

[Fox007]

It's funny how Fox always says "they practice TOO".

Sometimes it sure as fug doesn't look like we practice.

[charlottenian]

I like Fox but by all accounts he appears to be a stubborn man who won't change.... Even Cowher knew when it was time to get rid of Kordell Stewart in recognizing that he would take them so far.... Fox has yet to realize that a Trgovac Defense is not a killer instinct defense... Fox also appears by all accounts too loyal to vets which makes me sick, why he did not bench Delhomme to shake him up in the regular season like Reid did McNabb is beyond me.... The common answer was "we're 8-3, 9-3, blah blah" we won in spite of Delhomme, not because of Delhomme. If you think throwing up a hail mary and having superman grab it from the sky is leadership then your sadly mistaken. I think the Fox act here has gotten stale, a sub par year next year and I hope the Big Cat sends him packing....

[Fox007]

If you think throwing up a hail mary and having superman grab it from the sky is leadership then your sadly mistaken.

Man, WTF are you talking about. That is EXACTLY how they run it in practice.

poo man it takes mad skillz to throw into triple coverage and then have the WR catch it in between his legs, that's how all the best do it.

[charlottenian]

Man, WTF are you talking about. That is EXACTLY how they run it in practice.

sh*t man it takes mad skillz to throw into triple coverage and then have the WR catch it in between his legs, that's how all the best do it.

Oh ok my bad.... you're right, that is why Payton Manning ROCKS.... He locks onto Reggie Wayne all game and throws up a hail mary that Wayne specializes in catching.... puck throwing it to Harrison or Clark, throwing it into triple coverage is always the best choice, it means you can thread the needle