Does having 3 talented TEs lead to mediocrity?

[top dawg]

I am just so tired of the way that our TEs are being used (or misused). Perhaps we just have one too many. It seems to me that an athletic TE who can move the chains would be a godsend for a team that is having problems in the passing game (due to the QB, O-line, wide receivers, or whatever). Does having a triplet of talented QBs make the coaches under-utilize and under-appreciate the TEs (from the sideline's mental standpoint)? Can we really get the production and efficiency out of King, Rosario and Barnidge with each one of them playing spot duty in the offense? Does playing three affect the continuity of the talent of the one (if you get what what i'm saying)?

[Urrymonster]

Our TEs are good but not THAT good. I would actually go as far to say they are all above average, two of which have good athletic skills, but none are even close to game changing quality. There are certainly plenty of Rosario's in this league, King is a decent blocker and Barnidge is potentially the all round player but yet to show it.

Personally I think if we had just one main TE, then you would probably see production that King managed in his second year. Decent, not ground breaking, but solid. Possibly a bit more is Rosario or BArnidge were the 'main man'. I certainly do not see us tailoring our offense to take advantage of one specific TE.

[Brooklyn Bully]

They're good for what the do, but will never be a Witten, Gates, Clark, etc. Barnidge could maybe have solid numbers if he were treated like the names above but we keep him stuffed at number three. Plus, doing that would change Fox's gameplan.

[weyco2000]

I am just so tired of the way that our TEs are being used (or misused). Perhaps we just have one too many. It seems to me that an athletic TE who can move the chains would be a godsend for a team that is having problems in the passing game (due to the QB, O-line, wide receivers, or whatever). Does having a triplet of talented QBs make the coaches under-utilize and under-appreciate the TEs (from the sideline's mental standpoint)? Can we really get the production and efficiency out of King, Rosario and Barnidge with each one of them playing spot duty in the offense? Does playing three affect the continuity of the talent of the one (if you get what what i'm saying)?

Good point and thats also 3 roster spots.

[top dawg]

U-monster and U-Bully, there was a rotowire snippet that I referenced last year that basically said that Rosario could be a top 10 TE if he ever got consistent targets. I believe this. I could be being a bit overly optimistic, but I believe this of all our TEs. I think that with the right coaching, and with correct decision making by the QB, our TEs may not be a Dallas Clark, but could certainly be on the level of a Brent Celek, John Carlson, or a few others. I would think that in a John Fox-coached offense, that the TE would be more involved in the flow of the game, but the way things have been going, they really don't have the opportunity to get into the flow of the game.

[Mr. Burgundy]

what do we do though just let them go? I dont think we could get a decent trade for any of them

[Miaoww]

It's a combination of the system and the QB.

The TE isn't really the primary down the field option - which is what our passing game is all about. In our system the TE is probably the third read on every pass play.

Which leads us to the QB. Delhomme and Moore almost never get to that third read. Neither guy wants to check down to the TE, which is admirable to some extent, but also extremely frustrating when you have three talented TEs on the roster.

[rayzor]

we could have 2 TEs doing the same job. same with 2 kikers. not very efficient, imo. i'm more bothered by the kicker situation, though. too bad we're still hung up on history and hanging on to kasay.

we use all three TEs quite a bit but i don't think it's necessary. do we stick them in because we need them or do we use them because we have them and they are about the only reliable receiving targets that aren't smitty or are RBs.

just let king go. i wouldn't mind it so much if we involved them more in the receiving game instead of using them as an "oh crap, none of my receivers got open! where am i going to throw it?" option.

[Miaoww]

Hung up on history? The dude is basically automatic.

[rayzor]

he can only do half the job.

find someone that can do FGs and kickoffs. or a punter than can kick off. either way. just don't burn three roster spots on something you could easily find two to do just as well.

[2jakefansinva]

if we get rid of our TE's........who are we going to flank out wide and then run in motion back towards the ball every other play?

[Brooklyn Bully]

Hung up on history? The dude is basically automatic.

No, no he's not. I made a post on it a few weeks ago. Last season he was the 16th best kicker in the league I think (possibly 15th) stats wise. There are many younger, stronger, and more tuned kickers in this league that don't waste a roster spot. We are the only team in the league with a KO specialist. We all love Kasay and what he's done, but his leg is old and it's time to say goodbye. I think his contract is done this year though. He'll retire. He'll probably get put on the wall of fame too. But he's no longer automatic.

[countryboi]

i dont really see what your problems is would you rather the panthers had a much of crappy TEs? you know your fans are nuts when they complain about the teams does right...

[Davidson Deac II]

No, no he's not. I made a post on it a few weeks ago. Last season he was the 16th best kicker in the league I think (possibly 15th) stats wise. There are many younger, stronger, and more tuned kickers in this league that don't waste a roster spot. We are the only team in the league with a KO specialist. We all love Kasay and what he's done, but his leg is old and it's time to say goodbye. I think his contract is done this year though. He'll retire. He'll probably get put on the wall of fame too. But he's no longer automatic.

The problem with your stat is that when it comes to fg kickers, the difference between top 5 and top 15 is two or three kicks. Best I can remember, last year Kasay missed a couple of 50+ fg's that three his percentage of some. Could have been bad snaps, wind or whatever. Kasay is still pretty accurate, as we saw Sunday.

That being said, I agree we need to find another kicker next year that can do both.