Yeah he is calling you out

[Razeyfingers]

I might be way out of touch but I think games like the one Moore had last Sunday can ruin a young QB's career. Throw Clausen in there and stunt his confidence this early? I dont think thats a very good idea. Moore has been in the league and is much better prepared for the mental aspect of the game. He's also been a Panther long enough to know how fair-weathered the fans can be.

I would hope his skin is quite thick at this point. He's gonna need every ounce of armor he can get.

[panthers55]

My point is you don't try to trade up at 30 for someone who's a backup.

You do when he was rated a top 10 prospect and you have no one behind Moore, who is still not a proven commodity. Remember we made this decision back in the spring. Since then Moore has answered the questions in practice.and with the team. He still has to show it on the field again this year which will hopefully happen Sunday.

[Millions]

SMH same poo I heard with Jake Delhomme in the past "Ol he got us to the super bowl" bullsh*t comments. Comments some fans throw up to excuse the fact that right here and now he's played like sh*t. Past success shouldn't dismiss relevant subpar play hope he proves me wrong Sunday.

[iamcline]

hope he proves me wrong Sunday.

Do you?

[Millions]

Do you?

....naw I want him to throw more int's so we are 0-2

[rayzor]

I'm sure Moore can understand why fans would start to turn on him when he has a game like the one he had last week...

As a fan, I reserve the right to support the players that perform well. I don't care why Matt didn't perform well, that's not my problem. If Matt can't get it done then screw him, I want Clausen... if Clausen can't get it done then screw him too, I want someone else... this is my perogative as a fan. Matt is a great guy, met him in person - this is not personal it's business and I'm in the business of wanting to see my team win.

well said. right now he has to prove why he is worthy of this job. every game he plays is going to be an argument for him or against him. this past week gave plenty of reasons to question whether or not he can do the job. it may have set him back. people have legit reasons to wonder about it. just because you aren't on or fully on the moore bandwagon doesn't make you less of a fan and it doesn't make you fickle. i have been pimping moore since he got here and we had to put up with carr. i have wanted him to stand up and take that job because i believed he was the best man for the job. well, that may not be the case anymore. this past week is exhibit #1. there being such a promising talent behind him is another. moore could be good but clausen could be much better.moore has to prove over and over that he can deliver. he doesn't have the luxury that jake had of being able to rely on such a "gloried" past. he has 7 games to hang his hat on. thats all.

regarding bandwagon fans...there is only one bandwagon i am on. that is the panthers wagon. i have no loyalty to any players. i only have loyalty to the team and who can make it better and i'm going to be extra critical of anyone until they PROVE that they can do the job. it's going to be easier for clausen to prove that, imo. moore better pick it up and hope that team pickks it up as well because he is going to be taking the heat for it. he needs to turn lemons into lemonade. if he can't do that then we need to to move on.

[PanthaSan]

FWIW, I am a fan of the Carolina Panthers. The whole team and have been since '95.

I am not the one calling the plays or selecting the starters so I just have to root for whoever is in the game.

Sure, I get upset when we are underacieving but that's the price you pay as a fan. I think matt gives us the best chance to win and he just picked a bad day to have a bad day

Since we are a run oriented team, if and when we start running more, I think we are going to shock some of those/these naysayers.

Just my opinion....

[rayzor]

FWIW, I am a fan of the Carolina Panthers. The whole team and have been since '95.

I am not the one calling the plays or selecting the starters so I just have to root for whoever is in the game.

Sure, I get upset when we are underacieving but that's the price you pay as a fan. I think matt gives us the best chance to win and he just picked a bad day to have a bad day

Since we are a run oriented team, if and when we start running more, I think we are going to shock some of those/these naysayers.

Just my opinion....

oy vey.

[blackcatgrowl]

JFC....

It's ONE game people. If Moore struggles for more than 2 games, sure... lets start talking replacement. But give the guy a break. He's NOT the only reason we lost that game (our secondary is way more to blame).

[mj4life]

if moore gives us the best chance to win then he has to at the very least take care of the football.if not then start clausen cause i would much rather put up with mistakes from the qb that is the probable long term starter here.

[Liminy]

I'm cool with Moore and I share the same sentiment that we need to give him a chance to learn from his mistakes. I have faith in him and hope that he succeeds.

[frash.exe]

posted this in another thread but it was actually meant for this "insightful" article.

giving up on one player is not giving up on yur team. expecting more from your team than they are offering is not giving up on your team. accepting the crap they leave on the field does not make you a true fan. it just means that you are ok with an under-performing team and that is much sadder than any "fickle fan" could ever be.

dude, pretty much the mission objective for some of these panther sportswriters as well as some fans on here is to ridicule the ones who choose not to tolerate a sub par product being put on the field and want to speak their minds. And they do this while offering zero insight themselves.

I guess it's their agenda to be tolerant of a perpetual also-ran without opening their mouths. Or maybe it does bother them that this team is average and they decide to channel their frustrations indirectly against other fans, so they can both vent their frustration and mask themselves as some kind of superior stand up fan, as if I or you or anybody that thinks like the both of us really give a poo at what kind of psychological commitment they think they're making.

Through their misguided wit they see being a sedated cynic or an irate apologist as some kind of clearheaded visionary, a real strong willed man's man with a "stay the course" captain's mentality, and in addition they think they're such a valuable asset to a messageboard, while tagging anyone with a different perspective with notoriously dubious labels such as bitcher, moaner, complainer. Well don't you worry, you apologetic sardonic counter critical megalomaniacs, if you logged off and never came back nobody would miss your lousy, deficient posting.

Really what kind of self-centered general failure of a person thinks they're doing a service to the organization by screaming at a television set for 3 hours and painting their "man cave" their team's colors and raving about how fuging great everything is and how anybody who doesn't share a positive outlook is a drain on the organization when we aren't winning?

I'm not calling out on moore to be replaced after sunday but i can understand why someone would. He didn't play well at all the other night, and if the reckless playing near the goalline persists then it's time to look at other options. I could also understand why someone wouldn't give up on him yet either.

[panthers55]

Folks who say they are Panther fans and have the right to question or criticize whoever they want because they want to win aren't being loyal to the Panthers. They are totally deluding themselves. Look up loyalty and you find words like supporting unconditionally, faith, endless devotion, loyalty in the face of trouble and difficulty, etc.

I see no loyalty to the Panthers which includes the players and staff. What I see are people being critics saying they know what is best and winning is the only criteria. Well guess what, Einsteins.

Loyalty is supporting the Panthers win or lose. Supporting the players even when they screw up. Supporting the coach and staff no matter whether they make mistakes or not. That is loyalty.

What those of you decry is not loyalty as all. In fact it is on the completely other end of the spectrum. You are loyal to your version of what you think the Panther should be and what they should do in your opinion. Sure everyone wants to win and be a part of a winning tradition. But that isn't loyalty as all. Loyalty is accepting and embracing what we are, not what they should be. In fact the more folks say they are loyal to winning and not who we actual have on the team, the more bandwagon they sound to me.

Edit: FWIW I think everyone can say what they want and believe what they want. I have no problem with critics and am one at times myself. I am just not under any delusion that this is being loyal because it isn't by any sense of the word.

[top dawg]

Agreeing with everything the organization is doing, for better or for worse, is the definition of loyalty? Wow. I suppose that you have never criticized your children, friends or wife. That would be disloyal.

Come on, man, this is really twisted logic. Do the five NFL licensed Panthers polos that I bought just this past month amount to disloyalty? How about the Panthers jacket for my son, the pleather Panthers jacket for myself, as well as the Panthers denim jacket all within this past month bespeak non-support? Gimme a break! When Delhomme was sent up the river, was the FO being disloyal to him? I can go on and on and on.

Fans don't have to agree with everything that an organization does, and shouldn't be called all sorts of names, disloyal and not supportive because of it. I could turn the twisted logic around and say that accepting mediocrity is not being supportive. Being a brown-noser is not really supportive. Being a "yes-man" is not being supportive. These are stupid notions.

Everyone has a right to voice their opinion, especially opinion that has some basis in reality.