The "Jeff Davidson sucks" mantra.

[Zod]

The identity of a running team is run the f'in thing until you wear out the defense and it starts working. This "run and if its not working lets just pass" BS is just piss poor strategy and wreaks of identity confusion.

[IRONMAN]

The identity of a running team is run the f'in thing until you wear out the defense and it starts working. This "run and if its not working lets just pass" BS is just piss poor strategy and wreaks of identity confusion.

I agree with that 100%. It just leaves small room for error and requires you to score points when you can. Punts hiked into the ground and redzone interceptions do not help the cause which makes the point why were they flinging it around in the redzone? It seems its always been when this team gets behind or a few things don't go their way they start flinging it around and abandon the run game.

[panthers55]

The identity of a running team is run the f'in thing until you wear out the defense and it starts working. This "run and if its not working lets just pass" BS is just piss poor strategy and wreaks of identity confusion.

The run until you wear them out assumes you are moving the chains and controlling the ball and actually wearing them out. When you run the ball 24 times and have a total of 2 first downs rushing, you are not exactly wearing them out. So you have to pass to extend drives. Unless you think that 3 and outs do much to grind down the opposing defense.

Teams have to do what the defense gives them. If a defense is determined to take away the run you have to pass to set up the run. Running no matter what isn't establishing an identity it is stupidity especially if the other team is determined to take it away after being burned by it the last time you played.

[CRA]

The run until you wear them out assumes you are moving the chains and controlling the ball and actually wearing them out. When you run the ball 24 times and have a total of 2 first downs rushing, you are not exactly wearing them out. So you have to pass to extend drives. Unless you think that 3 and outs do much to grind down the opposing defense.

Teams have to do what the defense gives them. If a defense is determined to take away the run you have to pass to set up the run. Running no matter what isn't establishing an identity it is stupidity especially if the other team is determined to take it away after being burned by it the last time you played.

Running teams often have better success in the 2nd half games. Pounding the rock early doesn't always get you anywhere early.....but it does tire out the defense for big plays later in a game.

Good running teams don't abandon the run if it is getting bottled up some early.....that is going to happen. They pound it b/c they know eventually it will break a team if they stick with it. Run and punt. Teams committed to be running football teams stick with it until they are down 2 scores very late in a game.

[Cyberjag]

The identity of a running team is run the f'in thing until you wear out the defense and it starts working. This "run and if its not working lets just pass" BS is just piss poor strategy and wreaks of identity confusion.

BAM!

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[carolinanimal]

The run until you wear them out assumes you are moving the chains and controlling the ball and actually wearing them out. When you run the ball 24 times and have a total of 2 first downs rushing, you are not exactly wearing them out. So you have to pass to extend drives. Unless you think that 3 and outs do much to grind down the opposing defense.

Teams have to do what the defense gives them. If a defense is determined to take away the run you have to pass to set up the run. Running no matter what isn't establishing an identity it is stupidity especially if the other team is determined to take it away after being burned by it the last time you played.

Exactly! we were getting stuffed on the run in the 3rd quarter, , had one series that he got sacked and by time we got it back we were down 2 scores.

This is why i don't fully agree with this style of football. it requires almost perfect execution and leaves a lot of games up to too many factors. A team can stop dwill and jstew with out their defense even taking the field. get up 2 scores on the carolina panthers in the 3rd or 4 quarter and that eliminates the best part of our team.

[lymelizzard]

The offense succeeded on its on, not because of Davidson. With some of the talent we have I think this team could do some great things. Yet we usually run one formation, and Steve Smith is double and triple covered because the opposing defenses do not respect the other receivers.

We are very one dimensional.

[SOJA]

The identity of a running team is run the f'in thing until you wear out the defense and it starts working. This "run and if its not working lets just pass" BS is just piss poor strategy and wreaks of identity confusion.

exactly

[CRA]

Exactly! we were getting stuffed on the run in the 3rd quarter, , had one series that he got sacked and by time we got it back we were down 2 scores.

This is why i don't fully agree with this style of football. it requires almost perfect execution and leaves a lot of games up to too many factors. A team can stop dwill and jstew with out their defense even taking the field. get up 2 scores on the carolina panthers in the 3rd or 4 quarter and that eliminates the best part of our team.

but again, running teams don't get 3 runs stopped and quit. We ran and got bottled up while leading in the early 3rd.

NY then went up by a score.....we then had 3 straight pass attempts when resulted in a 3 and out.

then we got the ball at the NY 4 yard line thanks to PI.....3 straight pass attempts...the 3rd resulting in a pick.

there is no defending the playcalling there....not with a team built like this. Same thing occured last year......there were actually much worse examles of it....last year there were games the run was very effective and they went pass heavy in the 2nd half in close games.

the biggest weakness of this football team is Davidson/Fox asking the offense to play away from there strengths in scenairos where it makes no sense. Coaching in Carolina was horrific last year....and they started off 09 the same why. Fox/Davidson were worse last season than Delhomme was.

[OneBadassCat]

Exactly! we were getting stuffed on the run in the 3rd quarter, , had one series that he got sacked and by time we got it back we were down 2 scores.

This is why i don't fully agree with this style of football. it requires almost perfect execution and leaves a lot of games up to too many factors. A team can stop dwill and jstew with out their defense even taking the field. get up 2 scores on the carolina panthers in the 3rd or 4 quarter and that eliminates the best part of our team.

This. I've noticed it too. Our offense requires too many big plays imo. It requires perfect execution and it just seems like a high pressure offense.

[panthers55]

Exactly! we were getting stuffed on the run in the 3rd quarter, , had one series that he got sacked and by time we got it back we were down 2 scores.

This is why i don't fully agree with this style of football. it requires almost perfect execution and leaves a lot of games up to too many factors. A team can stop dwill and jstew with out their defense even taking the field. get up 2 scores on the carolina panthers in the 3rd or 4 quarter and that eliminates the best part of our team.

Exactly. Too many folks think you can just run the ball no matter what and always get results and that is just not the case. In the pros there isn't a great deal of difference between players to the point that one line for example can dominate the other. Nor can one team just run all day each week and expect success. The truth is that running works best when they expect you to pass and vice versa. Teams like New Orleans have good running games because they play against nickel defenses all day not because they run the ball that well. Just like the Jets struggled when folks figured out that Sanchez can't throw the deep pass, they will do the same with the Panthers. There was a reason we spent so much time in the preseason on passing and that was that folks recognized that teams will just load the box and dare you to pass. That is what the Giants did and what Tampa will do.

It won't be running the ball 40 times that will turn this around. It will be setting up the run with the pass. You run to control the clock but you pass to extend drives and make first downs. Don't be surprised if we get stuffed on the first series again that we come out passing. Anyone who knows anything about playcalling knows that a one dimensional offense is the easiest to defend. Running all the time would be a huge mistake. Running in the second half works if you have already established the pass. And it isn't really wearing them out physically as much as wearing them out mentally. When you stuff it down their throats and they don't think they can stop you, they give up. Plain and simple.

[panthers55]

This. I've noticed it too. Our offense requires too many big plays imo. It requires perfect execution and it just seems like a high pressure offense.

That is what happens when you always run on first and second down. You get one chance to pass it or you go three and out. Passing teams only have to connect on one of 3 plays to move the sticks which gives them a better chance of success. If we are going to run on the early downs then we need to develop more surefire third down plays which have a high chance of success instead of now requiring a great play to simply gain a few yards.

[blak-n-blu]

:thumbsup:

[panthers55]

but again, running teams don't get 3 runs stopped and quit. We ran and got bottled up while leading in the early 3rd.

NY then went up by a score.....we then had 3 straight pass attempts when resulted in a 3 and out.

then we got the ball at the NY 4 yard line thanks to PI.....3 straight pass attempts...the 3rd resulting in a pick.

there is no defending the playcalling there....not with a team built like this. Same thing occured last year......there were actually much worse examles of it....last year there were games the run was very effective and they went pass heavy in the 2nd half in close games.

the biggest weakness of this football team is Davidson/Fox asking the offense to play away from there strengths in scenairos where it makes no sense. Coaching in Carolina was horrific last year....and they started off 09 the same why. Fox/Davidson were worse last season than Delhomme was.

Sure I wanted to run when we got on the 4 yard line with Stewart pounding it, but you forgot to mention that earlier we had first and goal and ran it 3 times in a row and got stuffed. So the next time we passed. They were putting 10 folks within 1 yard of the line on those plays. Our problem wasn't passing but calling stupid pass plays with little chance of success. The problem isn't passing in my mind so much as being predictable that other teams know exactly what you are doing.