The "Jeff Davidson sucks" mantra.

[pantherclaw]

Mmmm..stats.

Fact is, at the most important times in multiple games (reoccuring pattern) davidson has proven he can't call a balanced offense to save his life. He has ruined jake, and could be doing more harm. Jake has already shown he can play better. No real surprise there. Not saying I want jake back either. Davidson hasn't proven he can play his way out of a wet paper bag, ... yet fans are willing to give him a go at head coach. I'm not even going to respond to that, cause the truth on this isn't nice at all.

[SOJA]

guys it really wasn't Davidson's fault, I transcribed the conversation in my signature......................see it was the Diet Pepsi's fault!

[drkmay]

I think he sucks... Jeff Davidson that is.... he abandoned our strength in a one possession game... Moore played like crap but he was doing what he is told. Fox really does need to step in more and tell this guy to stick to our strengths... the past two times we played the giants we ran the ball a lot, results: a 3 point loss in 08 and blow out victory in 09... run the damn ball. stop trying to do experienced things with inexperienced players. U guys want to point out how teams are stacking 8 in the box... so what. I got news for you, every player on defense is not accounted for every play. If that got guys jammed up the middle run, reach block and run it outside. Our o-line needs to man up. I saw Kalil get his ass handed to him damn near every play last game. In conclusion. JD sucks, Moore needs to quit worrying about Jimmy and stop playing like a wash up, and the O-line needs some to step their game up.

[pantherclaw]

I bet davidson wishes he could blame fox. Lol

[Cyberjag]

We are not physically small without Otah. Schwartz who replaced him is 331 and Bernadeau is 308. Otah is 330 and Vincent was 325. So no we aren't any smaller. As for strong. Bernadeau practices for the World's strongest man competitions in the offseason.

Next.......

Height and weight are suggestive, but not indicative. What's their body fat? Where is their center of gravity? And what sort of leverage do they play with?

Technically, we're not physically small. I think the intent of the poster was to say we're not as strong and talented, and he was just using size as a sort of indicator. Maybe he shouldn't have said it that way, but as far as the message he seemed to want to send, well based on the preseason and first game I think he's right.

[panthers55]

Height and weight are suggestive, but not indicative. What's their body fat? Where is their center of gravity? And what sort of leverage do they play with?

Technically, we're not physically small. I think the intent of the poster was to say we're not as strong and talented, and he was just using size as a sort of indicator. Maybe he shouldn't have said it that way, but as far as the message he seemed to want to send, well based on the preseason and first game I think he's right.

The message was that our right side is not as strong or talented right now but it missed the real point. It isn't a size or talent issue but an experience issue which is something I brought up several times during the offseason. And that doesn't include what happens if an injury would happen to either of these guys and we had to start Williams or someone else with no experience at all.

My point in clarifying this is to again pinpoint the issue which seems to elude others. We have a young talented team no doubt. But you can't replace so many veterans at one time with guys who haven't played much at all without a drop off. Especially when your depth against injury has even less experience. It also forces you to keep guys in there regardless of their performance because the guy behind them has even less experience.

[methodtoll]

Can we atleast make it to game 5 before calling for Moore's head? Sure, he made mistakes but it doesn't help that he had pressure in his face and no run game

If Clausen had been in the game, I would think he wouldn't had faired any better then Moore.

[panthers55]

Obviously we are weaker cause the Giants DTs are not that big. So Worlds strongest man or not he still got knocked back 12 feet by the Giants...

And you mistake strength and talent for the real problem which is lack of experience. Any veteran will tell you that no matter how big and strong the young player is, until they learn the techniques and subtleties of the game that take time and experience, they can be exploited. This is simply what I have been saying for months. You can't replace everyone like we did and not suffer unless everyone you bring in plays well at the same time. Obviously that doesn't happen and didn't last Sunday. Mix in guys like Gross who had a bad game as well and you saw what happened.

[Cyberjag]

The message was that our right side is not as strong or talented right now but it missed the real point. It isn't a size or talent issue but an experience issue which is something I brought up several times during the offseason. And that doesn't include what happens if an injury would happen to either of these guys and we had to start Williams or someone else with no experience at all.

My point in clarifying this is to again pinpoint the issue which seems to elude others. We have a young talented team no doubt. But you can't replace so many veterans at one time with guys who haven't played much at all without a drop off. Especially when your depth against injury has even less experience. It also forces you to keep guys in there regardless of their performance because the guy behind them has even less experience.

I think a lot of people, myself included, looked at how Schwartz and Bernadeau did last year in reserve roles and assumed they would get better.

Honestly, I still think that they're better than what we saw. The Giants have quick and experienced defensive linemen, and I suspect our guys had a bit of the opening day jitters.

The longer it's been since the Giants, the more I'm looking at it as a minor bump. I'm pretty sure we'll see a different team against the Bucs.

[panthers55]

I think a lot of people, myself included, looked at how Schwartz and Bernadeau did last year in reserve roles and assumed they would get better.

Honestly, I still think that they're better than what we saw. The Giants have quick and experienced defensive linemen, and I suspect our guys had a bit of the opening day jitters.

The longer it's been since the Giants, the more I'm looking at it as a minor bump. I'm pretty sure we'll see a different team against the Bucs.

I think we all hope that the offensive line plays much better this week. And I think the Panthers thought the same thing about Bernadeau and Schwartz after last year. Again I hope they are right as well.

I think that Fox and Hurney also know that this year is going to be tough with lots of bumps along the road, but the cards have been dealt and they are doing the best they can. If we remain injury free we might be okay. If not, then hang on.

[Cyberjag]

To get back on topic, I have a question. Have you ever seen Fox consulting a play-card while we're on offense? I can't remember it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[Zod]

Used to support Davidson, not so much anymore. I was hoping he was just handcuffed by Foxy but I just can't imagine Foxy wanting to pass the ball on every down on the goal line. That type of pussy playcalling screams Cleveland

[panthers55]

To get back on topic, I have a question. Have you ever seen Fox consulting a play-card while we're on offense? I can't remember it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I don't think that is how it works. I think it is more like Davidson tells Fox what they are going to run and Fox either goes along with it or suggests something else. For example Davidson wants to do one thing and Fox says do this instead. I doubt with the speed of the game it happens on every down or every series. Surely it doesn't in a 2 minute offense for example. But I expect that during a timeout on a big third down, for example, Fox has a lot of input into the play. I suspect he also has a lot of input into the scripted out plays at the beginning of the game and perhaps in gmeplanning in general.

Just my opinion without any direct insider info.

[panthers55]

Used to support Davidson, not so much anymore. I was hoping he was just handcuffed by Foxy but I just can't imagine Foxy wanting to pass the ball on every down on the goal line. That type of pussy playcalling screams Cleveland

More likely was a result of running it in the redzone before and getting nothing, so they decided to try passing. It wasn't as if they had any success running the ball outside of one run.

What I don't understand is running Williams rather than Stewart inside the 10 yard line. I really think Stewart would have run through the shoestring tackle.