I may as well be the 1st 2 say: Moore is NOT the answer

[rayzor]

talk about the "fickle fan base" is getting on my nerves.

you back one guy on the team until he looks like crap and then say he looks like crap and wanting/expecting to see something better is fickle? it's being a bad fan? bunch of judgemental pricks.

i read the crap article form sorenson or whoever it was at the charrlotte observer calling out fickle fans and it bugged me as much as this.

i don't have any loyalty to any one player. its th team that i am loyal to. a player has my belief that he can do the job until it looks like he can't. i have yet to see anything so far that would lead me to believe that moore is what we saw in the past. the decision making was poor. three INTs in the redzone? what a bunch of crap.

for sure blame goes to the coaching staff and oline for that fiasco. blame could go to the WRs but they aren't the one responsible for having them put on the field in the first place or the decision to throw to them in the endzone when we should have been doing what we do best. it was moore's decision to throw it into that coverage. it was moore's decision to not throw it away. last year he would have. not sure what changed but from the way it looks, he is playing differently than he did.

people will say that he has looked better than anyone in practice but since when does he practice well? he went from someone who doesn't practice well but plays well when in the game to someone who practices well but gives an inferior product when in the game.

until he shows that he can do better, the burden is going to be on him to prove he can. no way should he be given the kind of leniency that jake did. jake shouldnt have been given that either. you prove what you are capable of by what you do on the field now. not last year, not in 2003 and 2004 (like with jake).

if he can't get it together in the next few weeks then lets give the next guy a shot.

moore doesn't look like he can handle the pressure. the coaching staff has too much faith in him right now and is putting too much of the game on his shoulders.

just one game and i hope that the level of suck is confined to just one game but until they show it isn't, consider me skeptical. if that means that i am fickle...suck it.

i want the panthers to be the best with the best players on the field possible. i won't want to settle for mediocrity (which would actually be an upgrade from what we saw on sunday).

i won't apologize for that.

[CatMan72]

Let's see how Moore rebounds from the Giants game before we make a decision.

[rayzor]

Let's see how Moore rebounds from the Giants game before we make a decision.

i have no problem with that...of course it is just the bucs. i'll gladly give him til the bye week but so far it isn't looking good. memory of last year's performance at the beginning of the season is still fresh on my mind.

[gmonet]

It's like I believed all along: there is a reason Fox has been reluctant to get behind Moore. The guy is a back-up QB in the NFL, period. Don't give me all the crap about how this is the first game, blah, blah, blah. The Panthers are going nowhere fast with Moore at the helm. I am going on record before the the first half, of the first game, ends.

The part that bothers me top dawg, is the part about Fox being "reluctant to get behind Moore." Is this a matter of personalities? Fox should be behind Moore 110%, but you may be right...and if you are, then Fox will be the problem ( as if most do not think he isn't) for not making Moore feel like he made Jake feel for way too long. I personally think Matt could be a great QB for us, if he was feeling the "support."

I used to think the fans dictated Farve's success to some degree, but even when they hated him, he was good, and maybe that is what we need in a QB...GAS attitude, which begs why did we not take Vick, then? JK!!!!

[top dawg]

Yes, the personality angle has been discussed. Not saying that it's right, but sometimes personality can make all the difference in the world, depending on your profession. I think that we will all agree that Fox is a leader, and sometimes leaders/managers, or whatever you want to call them, choose their straw bosses based on whether or not they believe the person has the right personality for the job. It's all a apart of it. You aren't saying that its a case of Wisenhunt and Leinart are you, where Leinart insinuated that his coach had something personal against him?

I just believe coaches want a QB who displays an undying love and enthusiasm, as well as an intellectual intimacy for the game (not saying that Moore doesn't, because I don't know), but, of course, the QB has to have the physical skill set, also.

[panthers55]

Fox by all accounts has been totally behind Moore once he named him the starter. He has the perfect excuse to play Clausen this week with Moore's concussion (and may have to do it anyway). He has continually defended Moore at every turn. Any reluctance he had disappeared when Moore went 4-1 last year to end the season.

I don't understand where people think he hasn't been supportive. Give me one link to one article where Fox has been critical since Moore was named starter. You won't find it because if you know Fox then you know he never throws his players under the bus.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

i have no problem with that...of course it is just the bucs. i'll gladly give him til the bye week but so far it isn't looking good. memory of last year's performance at the beginning of the season is still fresh on my mind.

It sounds like Jake's performance last season is weighing more heavily on you than that of the player you're currently criticizing.

You are judging Moore off of one game. Period.

[blackcatgrowl]

Another reason why I hate our fanbase. Threads like this just prove how fickle we are.

Bah... bullshit... this is a vocal minority. This kind of talk is not representative of our fanbase... YET...

Anyone who is a real fan knows that our Wide Receivers are a big problem for Moore's production, and our O-Line isn't blocking well at all. Just look at D-Will's yards per carry last week. He's in the same boat as Moore.

[top dawg]

Fox by all accounts has been totally behind Moore once he named him the starter. He has the perfect excuse to play Clausen this week with Moore's concussion (and may have to do it anyway). He has continually defended Moore at every turn. Any reluctance he had disappeared when Moore went 4-1 last year to end the season.

I don't understand where people think he hasn't been supportive. Give me one link to one article where Fox has been critical since Moore was named starter. You won't find it because if you know Fox then you know he never throws his players under the bus.

You think that Fox lost all his skepticism at the end of last season? I remember some of you guys discussing the skepticism. Of course Fox is not going to throw Moore, or any player, under the bus, that's not him (and it's not the way our FO does things). But, it's human nature: A person is not going to lose all their skepticism in a few, basically meaningless, games. And, it's not like Moore has shown that he is the next Tom Brady (and no where near it). I have always said that Moore is the starting QB by default.

Jake was horrible. He may have made Moore appear to be Tom Brady, but anyone reading between the lines can see beyond the illusion.

The most telling thing is how the Panthers drafted Jimmy Clausen. And don't tell me that this was a no-brainer, because several teams passed up on Clausen---teams that still need a QB (LOL). Why didn't the FO make the "logical" choice and choose a receiver (e.g., Golden Tate)? Let's be for real.

Furthermore, Clausen is locked up for four years, and Moore, one. Stevie Wonder can see what's going on. Fox is going with the script. It's all business. It's also a matter of philosophy. Some say Clausen should be put in now, while some say that he should sit back and learn for a year. I would try him now. But, that's just me. Let the kid take his lumps. But, some continue to delude themselves into believing that Moore is the next Montana who will play himself out of, or into, the true destiny that awaits him (in as far as the Panthers are concerned). Dream on!

[Mr. Burgundy]

Dont know why you guys think Clausen will be any better

[top dawg]

Bah... bullshit... this is a vocal minority. This kind of talk is not representative of our fanbase... YET...

Anyone who is a real fan knows that our Wide Receivers are a big problem for Moore's production, and our O-Line isn't blocking well at all. Just look at D-Will's yards per carry last week. He's in the same boat as Moore.

I do believe that what your boy said is bullshit from the fattest calf in the yard, but, at this point, I can't say that the receivers are a big problem for Moore's production. It's like you alluded to; there are so many reasons, but I think that the main reason is between his ears. No one made him throw so many devastating picks into the end zone. He did that all by himself.

Getting off on a tangent, the run sets up the pass, but, likewise, the pass sets up the run. It's a vicious circle that imploded during the first game.

[Peppers90 NC]

Bah... bullshit... this is a vocal minority. This kind of talk is not representative of our fanbase... YET...

Anyone who is a real fan knows that our Wide Receivers are a big problem for Moore's production, and our O-Line isn't blocking well at all. Just look at D-Will's yards per carry last week. He's in the same boat as Moore.

the point of his response is that after the first int some no-football, knee-jerk nerd posts his/her own revelation after a one quarter performance. Most Panthers fans know very little about football and most think they could coach a team but in actuality couldnt coach dick. They have no idea what goes into this business and what it takes as a player or coach to get the nfl level and for some reason think we should be able to go undefeated every year and sign every player available. Most suggestion are so ignorant it's hard to even read and not be embarrassed knowing I share something in common with someone like this.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

Dont know why you guys think Clausen will be any better

It's been said that the backup quarterback is the most popular player on the team, and no where is this more true than with the Carolina Panthers.

Once Clausen throws his first pick, there will be faction of posters calling for Tony Pike to start.

[top dawg]

Dont know why you guys think Clausen will be any better./]

How can you be any worse than Moore was last Sunday? Not even Jake would throw three picks into the end zone.

Nobody expects Clausen to come in and save the day. He's a rookie. Not many of them light the world on fire their first year, but many of them do show enough to let people know if they are for real.