Tet McMillan: "I don't want to hear nothing"

[Aussie Tank]

Wouldn't mind if he's the pick. I just don't thinks he's that far ahead of Jayden Higgins as a prospect. I'd rather take Higgins for better value later in the draft 

[jayboogieman]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Not with 2 1000 yard rushes already on the team. Hurney has his eyes on a LB/Edge rusher. He would probably be trying to convince Tepper to trade up for Carter.

[jfra78]

4 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

I dunno. Hurney seems to love RBs just as much as LBs. He'd probably have to flip a coin or three to make a decision if both were available.  Or time would run out because he was frozen in indecision.

He took 1 DE, 2 OT, 2RB, 1 OLB, 2 MLB, 1 QB between 2001 and 2012 so I guess by this logic it could be a tackle too

[tukafan21]

15 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I was wrong the video was 2023, but Tmac only had 3 rec for 15 yards vs Hunter in that game

 

McMillan was targeted 15 times in the game, five while he was being defended by Hunter. The Colorado Heisman hopeful held him to just three receptions for 15 yards with one first down, but one of those catches was a two-yard touchdown in which McMillan used his frame to box out Hunter and made an impressive one-handed snag.

https://athlonsports.com/college/all-buffaloes/travis-hunter-vs-tetairoa-mcmillan-2023-colorado-vs-arizona-advanced-stats

 

So, T-Mac was targeted 5 times with Hunter on him in that game.  T-Mac caught 3 of the 5 passes, one of them for a TD, and if you read the article, Hunter also had a Pass Interference call on him against T-Mac in the game... all in a game that T-Mac had over 100 yards and Arizona won... that's 4 positive plays out of 6 targets when Hunter was covering him, something he likely didn't do a ton of seeing as T-Mac had 10 targets and 6 catches with others covering him.

And you take that as Hunter winning the battle and the proof that you need to pass on T-Mac?

At the absolute worst, that's a push, and even for it to be that, you'd need to show video of Hunter completely locking T-Mac down on every route he covered him and caused the QB to check down off T-Mac to someone else.

 

Edited 18 hours ago by tukafan21

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Wouldn't mind if he's the pick. I just don't thinks he's that far ahead of Jayden Higgins as a prospect. I'd rather take Higgins for better value later in the draft 

We won't take either.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, jayboogieman said:

Hurney loved to pick the obvious and safe pick. Everyone he picked in the top half of the draft was a safe pick. They had better odds of working out. They required less thinking on his part. He could make those picks half drunk. On day two, when he was hungover, is when he got in trouble. He just threw sh't at the wall from there on.

[jfra78]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

So, T-Mac was targeted 5 times with Hunter on him in that game.  T-Mac caught 3 of the 5 passes, one of them for a TD, and if you read the article, Hunter also had a Pass Interference call on him against T-Mac in the game... all in a game that T-Mac had over 100 yards and Arizona won... that's 4 positive plays out of 6 targets when Hunter was covering him, something he likely didn't do a ton of seeing as T-Mac had 10 targets and 6 catches with others covering him.

And you take that as Hunter winning the battle and the proof that you need to pass on T-Mac?

At the absolute worst, that's a push, and even for it to be that, you'd need to show video of Hunter completely locking T-Mac down on every route he covered him and caused the QB to check down off T-Mac to someone else.

 

He still not worth a top 10 pick

[jayboogieman]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Hurney loved to pick the obvious and safe pick. Everyone he picked in the top half of the draft was a safe pick. They had better odds of working out. They required less thinking on his part. He could make those picks half drunk. On day two, when he was hungover, is when he got in trouble. He just threw sh't at the wall from there on.

So, he'd take Warren in this one. Gotcha

[Jon Snow]

Just now, jayboogieman said:

So, he'd take Warren in this one. Gotcha

I honestly don't think he would. He passed on several notable TE prospects in the 1st round, including our own Greg Olsen. I think Chud influenced the TE signings more than anything. But I digress. 

[Tr3ach]

3 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

So, you just want to add to the controversy with this post as well?

Because it's not correct either, as some had him timed as fast as 4.46.

There were 40 scouts there apparently, so yea, when they're all hand timing him, it's going to give you a wide range of possible times, but in the end, 40 times don't matter anyways.  Running a 4.46 or a 4.58 is basically all the same when his game isn't predicated on speed.

He has more than enough speed given all his other attributes he brings, which is all that matters in the end.

No, he's not a track star, but his size and hands are both 99th percentile amongst NFL WRs.  Which is why I don't get all the fan hand wringing over his speed, because it's just ignoring the things he can do that almost every other WR in the NFL can't do.

They literally used the individual fastest time for that post.  Basically everyone there had him between 4.54 and 4.59.  Just watch the tape.  He's not a 4.4 guy.   Also you usually add .05 for hand timed pro days.

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

I think we're saying the same thing, but it's the semantics you're getting hung up on lol.

If Coker had the size, hands, catch radius, and route tree of T-Mac, then you could say he would be a similar player, but if that was the case, then there would be a 0% chance he'd have gone undrafted.

I just went with the shorthand instead of going into the many reasons they aren't similar players lol

Tmac is taller but they are similar in weight so they are both big bodied.  Coker has longer arms so his catch radius is probably bigger.  Coker had 0 drops so I guess that covers hands.  I never said coker was better

[tukafan21]

14 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

They literally used the individual fastest time for that post.  Basically everyone there had him between 4.54 and 4.59.  Just watch the tape.  He's not a 4.4 guy.   Also you usually add .05 for hand timed pro days.

They literally didn't, the school put out that he ran 4.48, it was one of the various scouts there who had him at the 4.46 that I mentioned.

[tukafan21]

25 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

He still not worth a top 10 pick

Says the guy who's analysis of T-Mac is as "a slower XL with better hands"

So please excuse me if I don't put much regard behind your opinion of where he's worth being drafted.

As I've said over and over again on here, if people want to draft someone else for legitimate reasons, I have no issue with that, it's totally fair.  But it's when people say they don't want to draft T-Mac for these weird asinine made up reasons that I take issue with.

[jb2288]

2 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Tmac is just a slower version of XL with better hands, we have that in Coker

Excuse me but wut