Tet McMillan: "I don't want to hear nothing"

[LinvilleGorge]

He plays like a mid-4.5s guy IMO. I honestly think he projects as a Tee Higgins type and Higgins ran high 4.5s. I think T-Mac is a better prospect coming out of college.

[tukafan21]

Just now, jfra78 said:

He had 5 catches for 38 yards vs Hunter

See, I'm glad when people say things like this, because it shows they don't have a clue, for multiple reasons, classic case of cherry picking box scores and not anything else.

The first and main thing being that Hunter barely played in that game this year, he was already dinged up going into the game and I can't remember if he played in the 2nd quarter of that game off the top of my head, but I know for a fact he didn't play a single snap in the 2nd half.  While at the same time, T-Mac also didn't play much in the 2nd half of that game either, because it was out of hand.

The 2nd is that box score analysis like this is then ignoring when he put up 9 rec for 107 yards and a TD against Colorado and a healthy Hunter in 2023.  And even then, while I'll openly admit I don't know off the top of my head how many of those 9 catches came against Hunter in coverage, I know for a fact that the TD was a red zone TD against Hunter in 1 on 1 coverage against him.

And also, all of that aside, none of it really matters because individual box score hunting is pointless without going back and watching every snap from the game.  I do remember our offense was an utter mess that game, so there is a very good chance his poor stat line in that game was more on the coaches and QB than anything T-Mac, Hunter, or anyone else on the defense did that game anyways.

It's weird that people want to pull out of context game log lines like that, but just want to ignore that over his 3 year career, he put up true elite stats, broke basically all school receiving records, had numerous great games against good teams, etc, etc, etc.

[jfra78]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

See, I'm glad when people say things like this, because it shows they don't have a clue, for multiple reasons, classic case of cherry picking box scores and not anything else.

The first and main thing being that Hunter barely played in that game this year, he was already dinged up going into the game and I can't remember if he played in the 2nd quarter of that game off the top of my head, but I know for a fact he didn't play a single snap in the 2nd half.  While at the same time, T-Mac also didn't play much in the 2nd half of that game either, because it was out of hand.

The 2nd is that box score analysis like this is then ignoring when he put up 9 rec for 107 yards and a TD against Colorado and a healthy Hunter in 2023.  And even then, while I'll openly admit I don't know off the top of my head how many of those 9 catches came against Hunter in coverage, I know for a fact that the TD was a red zone TD against Hunter in 1 on 1 coverage against him.

And also, all of that aside, none of it really matters because individual box score hunting is pointless without going back and watching every snap from the game.  I do remember our offense was an utter mess that game, so there is a very good chance his poor stat line in that game was more on the coaches and QB than anything T-Mac, Hunter, or anyone else on the defense did that game anyways.

It's weird that people want to pull out of context game log lines like that, but just want to ignore that over his 3 year career, he put up true elite stats, broke basically all school receiving records, had numerous great games against good teams, etc, etc, etc.

Sounds like excuses to me

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He plays like a mid-4.5s guy IMO. I honestly think he projects as a Tee Higgins type and Higgins ran high 4.5s. I think T-Mac is a better prospect coming out of college.

I would rather draft Tet than pay Higgins that bag, that is for sure.

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

Sounds like excuses to me

So, you make a post that is completely and 100% ignorant of the facts, I point out those FACTS, and you want to say it's just "excuses"?

What is the excuse?

That Hunter barely played in that game so clearly, he didn't shut T-Mac down?

That you pulled out a stat line from a game where Hunter barely played, while I pulled out a stat line from a game where he played the whole game and T-Mac put up great numbers, including a TD in a 1 on 1 coverage by Hunter?

And hell, ALLLLLL of that aside, you're basically implying that one bad game, even if it was against the #1 ranked corner in the draft who shut him down (which again, wasn't the case as he barely played) would out weigh the fact that he put up elite stats over the course of his career?

Do you not see how crazy that sounds?

 

[jfra78]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

So, you make a post that is completely and 100% ignorant of the facts, I point out those FACTS, and you want to say it's just "excuses"?

What is the excuse?

That Hunter barely played in that game so clearly, he didn't shut T-Mac down?

That you pulled out a stat line from a game where Hunter barely played, while I pulled out a stat line from a game where he played the whole game and T-Mac put up great numbers, including a TD in a 1 on 1 coverage by Hunter?

And hell, ALLLLLL of that aside, you're basically implying that one bad game, even if it was against the #1 ranked corner in the draft who shut him down (which again, wasn't the case as he barely played) would out weigh the fact that he put up elite stats over the course of his career?

Do you not see how crazy that sounds?

 

I think you're more of tukastalker than tukafan, maybe it's in his best interest not to get drafted here

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I think you're more of tukastalker than tukafan, maybe it's in his best interest not to get drafted here

You realize it's okay to just admit you said something wrong, right?

I'm not saying you are forced to come around on drafting T-Mac or even liking him as a prospect.

But it's okay to just be like, "you know what, you're right, I didn't know that about that particular game, so my post insinuating that Hunter shut him down there was wrong, but I still don't like him as a prospect and/or drafting him at #8."

I could have just responded with the stat line from the previous season when T-Mac had a great game against them/him, but instead I took the time to actually explain why what you said wasn't correct, because no matter how you slice it, that's just the case.  Hunter barely played that game, so insinuating that he shut T-Mac down is just flat out incorrect.

But you just want to dismiss me as the crazy T-Mac fan, instead of just being like, "my bad, you're right on this one"

I'm not even saying T-Mac didn't have a poor game that week, it happens to all players, no big deal.  But yea, when people say or imply dumb things that are 100% contrary to realities, I'm going to call them out every time.

[LinvilleGorge]

24 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I would rather draft Tet than pay Higgins that bag, that is for sure.

100%

I'm not pounding the table for T-Mac but I also definitely would not oppose drafting him.

[jfra78]

10 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

You realize it's okay to just admit you said something wrong, right?

I'm not saying you are forced to come around on drafting T-Mac or even liking him as a prospect.

But it's okay to just be like, "you know what, you're right, I didn't know that about that particular game, so my post insinuating that Hunter shut him down there was wrong, but I still don't like him as a prospect and/or drafting him at #8."

I could have just responded with the stat line from the previous season when T-Mac had a great game against them/him, but instead I took the time to actually explain why what you said wasn't correct, because no matter how you slice it, that's just the case.  Hunter barely played that game, so insinuating that he shut T-Mac down is just flat out incorrect.

But you just want to dismiss me as the crazy T-Mac fan, instead of just being like, "my bad, you're right on this one"

I'm not even saying T-Mac didn't have a poor game that week, it happens to all players, no big deal.  But yea, when people say or imply dumb things that are 100% contrary to realities, I'm going to call them out every time.

Lol

[tukafan21]

8 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Lol

Say something dumb and just untrue, get called out for it, laugh at them as if they're still wrong.

You were a debate champion weren't you?  

Was your go-to rebuttal "well I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you, hahaha GOT EM!"

I've said time and time again.... don't like T-Mac the prospect or just don't want to draft him for whatever REAL reasons... but say dumb and just flat out incorrect things about him, and I'm going to call them out.

And this one isn't even a debate about if he's fast or good enough to be an elite WR, it's just a flat out incorrect statement about Hunter vs T-Mac in that game, black and white facts.

Edited 15 hours ago by tukafan21

[PNW_PantherMan]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

100%

I'm not pounding the table for T-Mac but I also definitely would not oppose drafting him.

You'll get your low floor, high ceiling pass rusher and like it.

[jfra78]

3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Say something dumb and just untrue, get called out for it, laugh at them as if they're still wrong.

You were a debate champion weren't you?  

Was your go-to rebuttal "well I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you, hahaha GOT EM!"

I've said time and time again.... don't like T-Mac the prospect or just don't want to draft him for whatever REAL reasons... but say dumb and just flat out incorrect things about him, and I'm going to call them out.

And this one isn't even a debate about if he's fast enough to be an elite WR, it's just a flat out incorrect statement about Hunter vs T-Mac in that game, black and white facts.

So I lied when I said he had 5 catches for 38 yards?

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

So I lied when I said he had 5 catches for 38 yards?

You're literally lying in THIS post, because that's NOT what you said.

You said he did that vs Hunter... which doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what you're really saying is "hunter held him to those stats"

Which again, is just flat out incorrect as Hunter barely played in that game.  As I've said, he had a bad game, I'm not dismissing that, I'm just pointing out the FACTS that he didn't have those stats "vs Hunter" like YOU said... this isn't that hard to see.

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, jfra78 said:

He had 5 catches for 38 yards vs Hunter

 

6 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

So I lied when I said he had 5 catches for 38 yards?

He had 9 Rec, 107 Yards, and a TD vs Hunter in 2023

That is a much more accurate statement than yours, because at least Hunter played in that whole game.

But neither are even fully accurate statements, to make an actually accurate statement you'd need to go back and watch every play from those games to see how often he was actually matched up with Hunter to know what he actually did against them.

Which again, off the top of my head, I don't have the slightest beginning of an answer to that.  The only thing I can say for certain is that I know the TD was in 1 on 1 red zone coverage against Hunter.