Hidden Strategy ??

[Nu Guns]

I still don't understand why people look at the preseason so much and then base a teams talent on the preseason. We were missing starters in every single game. We ran a offensive scheme that isn't even really ours. If anything, our offense will be O.K. and our defense will improve, which is kind of scary to think about. We passed the ball on like 60% of the offensive play calls... HAHAHAHAHAHA, seriously? If an analyst or anyone in the media for that matter thinks we'll pass the ball that much, they've gotta be retarded or smoking crack.

Well basically because we never scored. All teams are missing starters and they still were able to score.

Regarding the strategy...I am more interested in Dwill/stew getting more involved in our passing game..screens etc..

[Cyberjag]

Next week at this time our entire preseason will be forgotten.

[Liminy]

I don't think we will come out looking like we deserve the crown already but I do think the passing game will look better than it has, allowing the run game to open up and stomp all over everyone.

[Jrock3016]

Doubling the talent in the backfield doesn't double the effectiveness of the play.

Teams will stack the box suspecting its a run. Probably do a run blitz. If it's a pass then your blitzing against a RB and all D-coordinators like those odds.

For the record I believe Williams has run the Wildcat with Stewart as his HB. So they have been back there together.

In that case if the call is a screen pass the D will be burned. Also if they run blitz more than likely our wrs will be man covered. With the gun slinger qb we have and the potential talent we have at wr. I like those odds.

By the way i am one of the people that sees the positive in our offense and not take preseason too seriously...

[Cyberjag]

Detroit had the best defense by far in the preseason of 2008, but during the regular season they gave up over 30 points per game and were the worst in the league. Green Bay had the worst preseason offense in 2004, but finished 5th in the league during the regular season.

The Preseason means nothing. It was fun to watch though.

[panthers55]

Our running game calls for a fullback blocking for the halfback which is why Williams and Stewart won't be in there together, end of story.

As for the offense in general, our problems were really due to one problem, penalties. If we clear them up we will do fine. If not, we won't score at all no matter who we have at receiver. 33 penalties for 263 yards

[scpanther22]

Our running game calls for a fullback blocking for the halfback which is why Williams and Stewart won't be in there together, end of story.

As for the offense in general, our problems were really due to one problem, penalties. If we clear them up we will do fine. If not, we won't score at all no matter who we have at receiver. 33 penalties for 263 yards

So I guess it had nothing to do with..The WR not getting consistent seperation?

[Floppin]

Our running game calls for a fullback blocking for the halfback which is why Williams and Stewart won't be in there together, end of story.

As for the offense in general, our problems were really due to one problem, penalties. If we clear them up we will do fine. If not, we won't score at all no matter who we have at receiver. 33 penalties for 263 yards

We never run without our fullback....err wait. No no, I think your wrong here.

[panthers55]

So I guess it had nothing to do with..The WR not getting consistent seperation?

Haven't we beaten up all the others to death. How many drives by the first offense were hurt or killed by penalties. How many catches were called back. How many returns were flagged and put us in poor position. No one thing accounts for everything but penalties did more to derail the first offense than anything else.

[panthers55]

We never run without our fullback....err wait. No no, I think your wrong here.

Did I saw we never run with the fullback. He is primarily a blocker which is why we don't put 2 halfbacks in the backfield together. Try and keep up.

[Floppin]

Did I saw we never run with the fullback. He is primarily a blocker which is why we don't put 2 halfbacks in the backfield together. Try and keep up.

What? I think it's you that needs to keep up. Read what I wrote again. I never said anything about handing the ball off to the fullback. I said "we never run without the fullback" I was being sarcastic. Because we clearly have many run plays where there is no fullback in the backfield.

[scpanther22]

Haven't we beaten up all the others to death. How many drives by the first offense were hurt or killed by penalties. How many catches were called back. How many returns were flagged and put us in poor position. No one thing accounts for everything but penalties did more to derail the first offense than anything else.

Penalties played a part..but I dont think the biggest part. I would say that goes to WR and Oline play.

[Floppin]

Did I saw we never run with the fullback. He is primarily a blocker which is why we don't put 2 halfbacks in the backfield together. Try and keep up.

I'll go ahead and elaborate my point. I just thought it was not a very good point on your behalf to discount using two HB's in the backfield by simply stating that use a FB as a primary blocker for our runs.

I'll agree we use a primary blocker on many of our runs, I'd venture to say around 60% especially on runs between the tackles. It is no where near an absolute value like 100% like you made it sound.

We run a varied amount of running plays without a fullback even in the backfield, many such plays out of the shotgun formation. Hell, even when the fullback is in the backfield it's no guarantee he will be used as a lead blocker. He is used for misdirection a lot as well. Run a fake to the FB to the right and hand off on a counter to the HB to the left.

I do agree with you that they would never use both HB's in the backfield at once, but to discount the use of such misdirection because of our imminent need of a FB in the backfield for every run is both foolish and wrong.

[panthers55]

Penalties played a part..but I dont think the biggest part. I would say that goes to WR and Oline play.

And O line play sucked due to the penalties on the left side with Gross as it did for the turnstile play by the right side on pass protection. Penalties killed at least 1/3 of the drives by the first teamers.