2021 was a good draft.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

19 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Well I'm not sure that I would rate it as great. Yes our 1st pick was a great pick for the team although it has not been without loss of playing time.

The 2nd pick was a complete waste.

The 3rd pick has earned a spot as a reliable backup.

The other 3rd pick, while he has worked hard to earn his place on the team, probably wouldn't find a spot on another team.

The 4th pick is the only other starter that could get another job on another team.

The rest isn't worth explaining. 

The buffoonery of the Fletcher pick always makes me chuckle. 

[WhoKnows]

18 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

I say he was dogshit.

Keeping things on track, 2021 was a decent-to-good draft. The ones immediately preceding it and every one after it were ass, so that also inflates it a bit.

I agree. I still can’t believe that people actually want to say he never got a chance. This thread basically says 2021 was Fitterer’s only “good” draft and Rhule was in charge (his wife liked Hubbard). Fitterer had control in 2022 and 2023 and look at those. Again, the big posters said Rhule was on the hot seat to start 2022 and that Fitterer owned the draft and personnel.

People want to blame it all on Tepper but to anyone that read the draft articles saw how Fitterer described how he and Reich were in agreement before and after the draft process on Young. He also mentioned that he had Young as his top QB the year before when they were looking at the 2022 QBs like Corral. Fitterer was 100% on Young for 2 years and he’s the guy (Morgan agreed with this as well) who turned down the Burns trade.

Fitterer was truly awful and his utterly awful decisions can’t be blamed on everyone else. The only thing that makes sense for how bad he was is that Seattle saw an opportunity to cripple our franchise and Fitterer intentionally made all those bad moves.

[PantherKyle]

Objectively a good draft.  

[Teddy2SuperBowlHeartBreaks]

Well thank god we drafted Tommy Tremble what a steal

[LinvilleGorge]

Horn is very talent f but has missed damn near half the games of his career. Chuba proved to be a great pick. Tremble is an okay pick as a mediocre backup for a 3rd round pick. Kinda feels like that should be the bare minimum acceptable standard for a "successful" 3rd rounder. Christensen was another solid pick.

This draft wasn't terrible. The problem is that it's our best draft in years when for a well ran organization it would be an average at best draft.

[Hoenheim]

That was our last decent draft. The only problem is all the drafts after that one have been terrible and that's why we're where we at right now. 

Also, this franchise is fuging terrible at drafting in late rounds 5 - 7 . I know its hard to find good talent that late but damn, we wasted a fug load of picks in those rounds.  

That has me worried about our 25 draft this year. We have a good number of picks but a lot of them are in R4 - R6. Go figure. 

[Hoenheim]

Meanwhile the Rams can find Puka Nacua in R5 at the absolute perfect time and the Steelers stumble into Antonio Brown in R6. And the Panthers continue to draft big ass project WRs every year in the top 2 rounds and hope one of them evolves into AJ Brown. 

The Panthers have had a really bad problem with piss poor talent evaluation for quite a while now.

Edited 9 hours ago by Hoenheim

[Icege]

50 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

That was our last decent draft. The only problem is all the drafts after that one have been terrible and that's why we're where we at right now. 

Also, this franchise is fuging terrible at drafting in late rounds 5 - 7 . I know its hard to find good talent that late but damn, we wasted a fug load of picks in those rounds.  

That has me worried about our 25 draft this year. We have a good number of picks but a lot of them are in R4 - R6. Go figure. 

I keep hearing folks kick around the narrative that the Panthers are somehow worse than everybody else on day three and it got me wondering if that's true or not.

To save myself a little time, I'm going to use data for the 5th-round of the draft and go back as far as 2005 so that we have a 20yr sample size. Depending on the article and what's classified as a "hit," I've seen from as low as 5% if they're a hit because they became a starter and as high as 15% if it meant that they were a rotational player that made meaningful contributions.

The Panthers have made 23 selections since 2005 in the 5th-round. This would mean that the Panthers would need to have drafted just one starter (5% of 23 == 1.15) and/or three rotational guys (15% of 23 == 3.45).

• Starters drafted in the 5th: Geoff Hangartner, Jeff King, Josh Norman, Jermaine Carter (4)
• Back-ups/ST drafted in the 5th: Dante Rosario, David Mayo, Corn Elder (3)
• Back-up/ST in CAR, started elsewhere: Gary Barnidge, AJ Klein (4)

Carter started all of 2021, and technically David Mayo got some starts his first year with the Giants. All of that said, even if we classify a hit strictly as a starter the team is above average (even if we don't count Carter, Barnidge, and Klein).

The last time the team drafted somebody in the 5th that was a meaningful contributor was 2018 with Jermaine Carter. Chau Smith-Wade is looking to at least qualify as a back-up/ST guy at this point with potential to still develop into a starter.

tldr; Panthers are above average at drafting in the 5th-round based on the numbers whether it's finding a starter or a guy that contributes meaningfully to the team, but have not landed a hit since 2018.

Edited 8 hours ago by Icege

[Waldo]

A Good but not available enough CB, a backup in round 3 where you hope to hit on starter and a good RB exactly where good RBs are found. I can't go better than meh. The rest was that bad. Doing worse than that should get people fired quick. That's what I hope an off year looks like if we ever get a great crew.

Edited 8 hours ago by Waldo

[Hoenheim]

7 hours ago, Icege said:

I keep hearing folks kick around the narrative that the Panthers are somehow worse than everybody else on day three and it got me wondering if that's true or not.

To save myself a little time, I'm going to use data for the 5th-round of the draft and go back as far as 2005 so that we have a 20yr sample size. Depending on the article and what's classified as a "hit," I've seen from as low as 5% if they're a hit because they became a starter and as high as 15% if it meant that they were a rotational player that made meaningful contributions.

The Panthers have made 23 selections since 2005 in the 5th-round. This would mean that the Panthers would need to have drafted just one starter (5% of 23 == 1.15) and/or three rotational guys (15% of 23 == 3.45).

• Starters drafted in the 5th: Geoff Hangartner, Jeff King, Josh Norman, Jermaine Carter (4)
• Back-ups/ST drafted in the 5th: Dante Rosario, David Mayo, Corn Elder (3)
• Back-up/ST in CAR, started elsewhere: Gary Barnidge, AJ Klein (4)

Carter started all of 2021, and technically David Mayo got some starts his first year with the Giants. All of that said, even if we classify a hit strictly as a starter the team is above average (even if we don't count Carter, Barnidge, and Klein).

The last time the team drafted somebody in the 5th that was a meaningful contributor was 2018 with Jermaine Carter. Chau Smith-Wade is looking to at least qualify as a back-up/ST guy at this point with potential to still develop into a starter.

tldr; Panthers are above average at drafting in the 5th-round based on the numbers whether it's finding a starter or a guy that contributes meaningfully to the team, but have not landed a hit since 2018.

I know what you mean but the ultimate point is we haven't drafted any very good players that late since maybe Josh Norman. And his greatness wasn't particularly long lived either lol.

For example the Rams found Puka Nacua in R5 and steelers pull receivers out their ass in any round, and we can't draft them to save our lives (in recent memory, i can only think of DJ Moore being very good ).  That's not super recent either that's 7 flipping years ago now.