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John Clayton (ESPN) ranks the QBs

Dpantherman

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So basically the arguement is that Kolb was picked in the 2nd round and Moore was an UDFA....still think there is nothing that truly warrants the difference expressed between the two.

Moore has actually shown that he can lead his team to wins...something that Kolb has yet to do.

But, I do understand what you are saying JR...I just don't necessarily agree with it.

I believe I said a bit more than that but yes. Keep in mind though that I never said that warrants the difference I just tried to explain why there is a difference in public perception of the two. I am on your side that Moore should be given more respect but I can understand why he isn't right now. Gonna take more than a handful of games at the end of the year to make people believers.

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Serious question here

You mean to tell me that if you remove all stats from everyone...I mean everyone, lined all the QB's up and had them run drills you couldn't SEE who would possibly have more potential than that of someone else? You have to have some arbitrary number to associate with a name?

According to reports from camp if you did this with our QBs, you would pick Moore 10 times out of 10 but people still believe Clausen has more potential. So by your logic Moore has more potential than Clausen right?

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According to reports from camp if you did this with our QBs, you would pick Moore 10 times out of 10 but people still believe Clausen has more potential. So by your logic Moore has more potential than Clausen right?

Let's get serious. That comment was from Darren G. who was towing the Matt Moore is king line early in the preseason. Then of course, he failed to produce a single offensive touchdown in 3 preseason games and the Observer has jumped ship.

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I don't have an issue with this assessment in any way. The only few changes I would make would be to have Schaub (sp) up higher and Leinart (sp) behind Matt Moore. But the reality of it is, we have hardly any substantial information on Moore. And to think the national media has any clue on him is crazy. The reason he was ranked that low was becuase he is an unknown. Us as panther fans THINK we have a good assessment on Moore when in reality no one does. Yes, moore has started roughly a half a full season, but is that really enough to ciritque someones ability? Not hardly. I am as much a fan as anyone, but saying moore belongs higher (minus leinart) is irrational. We all need to de-fog our panther goggles, remove them and look at it as a way to suprise the media again. For the effin WIN!!!!!!!!

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Said before that I'm not that into ranking QBs. I generally put then into categories of "good, very good, great or elite". Ranking them within those categories is kind of pointless.

With regards to Clayton's attempt at pointlessness...

Roethlisberger has been overrated for a long time. Not saying he's bad, mind you, but he's benefited more than many others from having a good team around him. His second Super Bowl performance was better than his first (which was just north of awful) but I still wouldn't call him "elite". You might talk me into "very good" but I generally settle on "good" with him.

Tony Romo is ranked high because he plays for Dallas. If he played for the Browns or the Jags he'd probably be in the 25-28 range on this list.

Carson Palmer elite? Seriously? He's arguably more overrated than Roethlisberger. He has a nice delivery, but his intangibles are pretty weak. Pretty similar take on Jay Cutler.

This season will be McNabb's first outside of the stat-friendly WCO. I'll be interested in seeing how he does. I'm willing to put him on the low end of "very good", but elite QBs don't choke in big games and don't chuck in the Super Bowl. Feel pretty much the same about Matt Hasselbeck. My biggest memory of him was his Nostradumbass prediction from the playoff game against the Packers.

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My feeling about Eli Manning are similar to those on Roethlisberger. He's not his brother.

Flacco and Ryan are both good, but overrated. Each showed some definite weaknesses last season.

Jason Campbell better than David Garrard? Please :nonod:

Vince Young is better than he was, but his grade's still "Incomplete" from me at this point.

Alex Smith? Matt Cassel? Really? :rolleyes:

I would have started the "Hit or Miss' section at about #21 (and thrown a few other guys down in that area). Again, ranking these guys is pretty useless, but still...Leinart, Anderson, and Edwards over Moore? Heck, over anybody. Those are the guys that should be fighting Delhomme for last. Likewise, Sam Bradford, a guy who's never played a meaningful down in the NFL, over anyone who has? Yeesh :(

Bottom Line: If you want to talk about inside info, then John Clayton is someone worth listening to. Player evaluation? Eeeeehhhh, no.

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According to reports from camp if you did this with our QBs, you would pick Moore 10 times out of 10 but people still believe Clausen has more potential. So by your logic Moore has more potential than Clausen right?

If in fact that is what was reported by more than Moore homers then yes...but here,on the huddle, is just about the only place you will see that report...Most report state that Clausens raw potential is much greater than Moores

Sorry, should have read a little lower before posting this and I would have seen that this question had already been answered

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If in fact that is what was reported by more than Moore homers then yes...but here,on the huddle, is just about the only place you will see that report...Most report state that Clausens raw potential is much greater than Moores

Sorry, should have read a little lower before posting this and I would have seen that this question had already been answered

YOU don't actually "see" any more potential in Jimmy than you do in Moore. YOU were told that Jimmy has more potential so you have to agree.

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