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John Clayton (ESPN) ranks the QBs

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Let me put it another way. I am not saying that Kolb will not be better than Moore, or that Kolb will be better than Moore.

There is a limited body of work on both. Kolb, just like Moore, has done nothing that supports the judgement that one will be better than the other. Both have done some nice things....and both have shown some weaknesses. Only time under center as a starting QB will tell.

That is why I find it humorous for people to consider one a sure thing and the other a stop gap. Typical bias.

I have to agree with you, both need more time to say anything at all about them to be certain, and I base my opinion simply off of the things I have observed so far...like them or not.

You ask me for my perception as to what makes Kolb have more potential...I gave it to you...nothing more nothing less.

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Yea, we all saw. You pulled something smelly and slimy from your ass and are trying to pass it off as relevant.

Not true at all, not trying to pass anything off. I hope Matt has a great season and proves me and many other people wrong! If Matt does well the Panthers will too! I simply shared my view as to why Clayton may have put more stock in Kolb over Moore.

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What have you seen in Kolb that makes you think he is the next Aaron Rogers? Nothing. He may be a great QB, but his body of work is so limited that a judgement can't realistically be made. However, you and everyone else make the judgement on Moore that he is only a stop gap.

I am not saying that Matt Morre will be a great or elite QB. But, I have seen enough of him and Kolb to say that there is not enough body of work on either to make that judgement.

Wha? I never said I thought Kolb was the next Aaron Rodgers nor did I say I thought Moore was a stop gap. In fact I said that I disagree with that and think Moore doesn't get the respect he deserves.

I also have never said or heard anyone (including ESPN "gurus") label Kolb as a sure thing.

Where are you getting this from?

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Wha? I never said I thought Kolb was the next Aaron Rodgers nor did I say I thought Moore was a stop gap. In fact I said that I disagree with that and think Moore doesn't get the respect he deserves.

I also have never said or heard anyone (including ESPN "gurus") label Kolb as a sure thing.

Where are you getting this from?

I was referring to your comment above that read....

"Right or wrong, people see Kolb as the next 'possible' Aaron Rodgers on a high profile team and people see Matt Moore as the guy who replaced the interception machine Jake Delhomme and the stop-gap until Clausen is ready to take over the show for a young and rebuilding Panthers team. Not saying it is right, but that is just the way it is."

I re-read your comment and now see that you were not saying this is your opinion....only that some see him as this.

My bad.

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Not true at all, not trying to pass anything off. I hope Matt has a great season and proves me and many other people wrong! If Matt does well the Panthers will too! I simply shared my view as to why Clayton may have put more stock in Kolb over Moore.

but, there is absolutely nothing in Kolbs performance as an NFL QB that separates him from Moore...absolutely nothing. Except for the fact that he plays in the NFC East and for the Eagles....typical NFC East bias.

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but, there is absolutely nothing in Kolbs performance as an NFL QB that separates him from Moore...absolutely nothing. Except for the fact that he plays in the NFC East and for the Eagles....typical NFC East bias.

Here is why the experts and general public (non Panther fans) have a different opinion of the two (not that they compare them). Kolb was drafted specifically (hand picked by Reid) to be the future franchise QB of the Eagles. He was to learn under Reid and Mcnabb for 3-4 years and then take over the team when McNabb's run was over. That time has come and Reid sent his pro bowl QB packing because he thought Kolb was now the better option. That story is very similar to Aaron Rodgers who followed the same path. There is the correlation and nothing else, it is not based on any performance obviously.

Moore was picked up as a Panther when Dallas put him on the practice squad. Panthers picked him up to compete for a back up postion. (I think that is how it happened right?) Anyway, he has never been seen as the future of the franchise and rumor has it that he never was a "Fox type" guy for whatever reason. He got the starting job only because Jake was so bad and he eventually got "hurt". Moore came in and did well as a replacement.

In the offseason the Panthers drafted Clausen, a highly touted QB who was expected to be the future of whatever club drafted him. Well that club was the Panthers and this moved shoved Moore into the backseat as a "future franchise QB". Right or wrong that is the perception and Moore will have to go out and prove otherwise. I think "the experts" would have more confidence in Moore had the Panthers not drafted Clausen. Personally I think Moore will surprise a lot of people and be the starter here for some time, but Clausen will always be lurking in the shadows.

No one knows how this will play out. Kolb could be a bust or he could be the next Aaron Rodgers who knows. Moore could be a stop gap until Clausen takes over or he could be the next Tom Brady for all we know. Remember no one knew who the H*ll Brady was when Bledsoe went down. The beauty of it all is that both teams have something to look forward to and it will all iron itself out in a couple of years. Until then we can sit back and enjoy the show.

The End.

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Here is why the experts and general public (non Panther fans) have a different opinion of the two (not that they compare them). Kolb was drafted specifically (hand picked by Reid) to be the future franchise QB of the Eagles. He was to learn under Reid and Mcnabb for 3-4 years and then take over the team when McNabb's run was over. That time has come and Reid sent his pro bowl QB packing because he thought Kolb was now the better option. That story is very similar to Aaron Rodgers who followed the same path. There is the correlation and nothing else, it is not based on any performance obviously.

Moore was picked up as a Panther when Dallas put him on the practice squad. Panthers picked him up to compete for a back up postion. (I think that is how it happened right?) Anyway, he has never been seen as the future of the franchise and rumor has it that he never was a "Fox type" guy for whatever reason. He got the starting job only because Jake was so bad and he eventually got "hurt". Moore came in and did well as a replacement.

In the offseason the Panthers drafted Clausen, a highly touted QB who was expected to be the future of whatever club drafted him. Well that club was the Panthers and this moved shoved Moore into the backseat as a "future franchise QB". Right or wrong that is the perception and Moore will have to go out and prove otherwise. I think "the experts" would have more confidence in Moore had the Panthers not drafted Clausen. Personally I think Moore will surprise a lot of people and be the starter here for some time, but Clausen will always be lurking in the shadows.

No one knows how this will play out. Kolb could be a bust or he could be the next Aaron Rodgers who knows. Moore could be a stop gap until Clausen takes over or he could be the next Tom Brady for all we know. Remember no one knew who the H*ll Brady was when Bledsoe went down. The beauty of it all is that both teams have something to look forward to and it will all iron itself out in a couple of years. Until then we can sit back and enjoy the show.

The End.

So basically the arguement is that Kolb was picked in the 2nd round and Moore was an UDFA....still think there is nothing that truly warrants the difference expressed between the two.

Moore has actually shown that he can lead his team to wins...something that Kolb has yet to do.

But, I do understand what you are saying JR...I just don't necessarily agree with it.

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If someone were to tell the crypt keeper to revise his article and replace Matt Moore's name with Jimmy Clausen, without an ounce of fact to go along with it, I wonder how far up the ranking he would move, just based on his name and his "annointment" as a future franchise QB by the talking heads?

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So basically the arguement is that Kolb was picked in the 2nd round and Moore was an UDFA....still think there is nothing that truly warrants the difference expressed between the two.

Moore has actually shown that he can lead his team to wins...something that Kolb has yet to do.

But, I do understand what you are saying JR...I just don't necessarily agree with it.

Serious question here

You mean to tell me that if you remove all stats from everyone...I mean everyone, lined all the QB's up and had them run drills you couldn't SEE who would possibly have more potential than that of someone else? You have to have some arbitrary number to associate with a name?

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