John Clayton (ESPN) ranks the QBs

[bigcatdaddy]

Well, after the first 5 games they were 3-8 and one of those wins over the lowly Redskins so you decide how long they were going down hill.

If you seriously think a team that goes 3-8 in the last 11 games were not going south then...

I admit the Giants were struggling going into the bye but alot of that had to do with Eli struggling. His passer rating in the 3 games against NO, AZ, and Phila leading into the bye was 54.6, he had 3 TD's and 6 int's. Like I said after the bye they were 3-2 leading into the game against us with wins over 2 of their division rivals and fighting for a playoff spot. I don't think 3-2 is a downhill spiral but I do think we sent them there.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

I've taken the liberty of ranking some of the most popular football writers:

32. John Clayton, ESPN

Analysis: Rarely offers insightful or fact-based writings. A slow start this season could lead ESPN to replace Clayton with Mr. Peabody or the Cryptkeeper. No one would notice, save for the latter two would show more football knowledge.

Chance of being elite: Slim to none.

33. Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk

Analysis: Florio and his website post more mistakes than any other. Should he publish more erroneous statements this year, look for one Steve Smith to remind him of the rules and regulations of the game.

Chance of being elite: Slimmer to noner.

[bigcatdaddy]

I just dont like that Moore got one quick line with no thought on it. "He is 6-2 as a starter" Well no kidding! But to think a slow start Clausen will replace him is stupid. The reason I brought Kolb up is his numbers are bad for his games and the only game he did good was against the Chiefs. Im sure Kolb will improve but to think he will come in and light it up and be good is unrealistic. He is going to struggle and Philly will be calling for his head.

Hey man I agree with you 100%, Moore will get his shot and he deserves it. You can't dispute the numbers he put up and if Clayton is basing it off preseason he is even a bigger idiot then I thought. Preseason there is no game planning, you don't want to show any of your plays, he is playing without Otah, Smitty, and Stewart. If you don't think that Smitty will make Moore, the other receivers, and the running backs more effective then you don't understand the game at all. Bottom line is Clayton is an idiot.

[Davidson Deac II]

Giants were on a downhill slide, long, long before they hit our game. They had already given up 40+ pts in two other games, so the beatdown we gave them, was just another day at the office. They had the third worst defense, by the time they played us. There are other things going on in the NFL besides what happens in Charlotte. Giants currently have the worst defense in the league right now.

They weren't world beaters before they played us, but they at least stayed in the games they played. Matt Moore performed as well or better against them as some of his more well known peers did against that same Giants defense.

But the key point is that they had something to play for, they had no reason to give up. Maybe they were not flying as high as they were at 5-0, but it was our offense and defense that put the stake in the heart and killed them.

[Johnny Rockets]

I just dont like that Moore got one quick line with no thought on it. "He is 6-2 as a starter" Well no kidding! But to think a slow start Clausen will replace him is stupid. The reason I brought Kolb up is his numbers are bad for his games and the only game he did good was against the Chiefs. Im sure Kolb will improve but to think he will come in and light it up and be good is unrealistic. He is going to struggle and Philly will be calling for his head.

I just don't understand why people who don't like what is said about Moore are always so quick to bring up Kolb as a comparison? I agree that Moore is not given the respect that he probably deserves, but why the comparison to Kolb all the time? I just don't see the relevance.

Maybe it is because Kolb's future in the media's perspective is so bright but there is reason for that. Sure he will struggle in the beginning, but Andy Reid who is one of the most respected coaches in the league got rid of a Pro Bowl QB because he thought Kolb gives them a better chance at success. He is the text book west coast QB and has been groomed to fill this role for a few years now. Will he be a success? No one knows.

Right or wrong, people see Kolb as the next 'possible' Aaron Rodgers on a high profile team and people see Matt Moore as the guy who replaced the interception machine Jake Delhomme and the stop-gap until Clausen is ready to take over the show for a young and rebuilding Panthers team. Not saying it is right, but that is just the way it is.

[Jon Snow]

I just don't understand why people who don't like what is said about Moore are always so quick to bring up Kolb as a comparison? I agree that Moore is not given the respect that he probably deserves, but why the comparison to Kolb all the time? I just don't see the relevance.

Maybe it is because Kolb's future in the media's perspective is so bright but there is reason for that. Sure he will struggle in the beginning, but Andy Reid who is one of the most respected coaches in the league got rid of a Pro Bowl QB because he thought Kolb gives them a better chance at success. He is the text book west coast QB and has been groomed to fill this role for a few years now. Will he be a success? No one knows.

Right or wrong, people see Kolb as the next 'possible' Aaron Rodgers on a high profile team and people see Matt Moore as the guy who replaced the interception machine Jake Delhomme and the stop-gap until Clausen is ready to take over the show for a young and rebuilding Panthers team. Not saying it is right, but that is just the way it is.

I agree with this 100% Couldn't of said it better myself

[MadHatter]

Ok, so maybe thats how you see it, but thats not how I see it. Matter of opinion I guess

Fair point....but, please enlighten me on the how Kolb has more potential as a QB. I am really interested in your perspective.

[MadHatter]

I just don't understand why people who don't like what is said about Moore are always so quick to bring up Kolb as a comparison? I agree that Moore is not given the respect that he probably deserves, but why the comparison to Kolb all the time? I just don't see the relevance.

Maybe it is because Kolb's future in the media's perspective is so bright but there is reason for that. Sure he will struggle in the beginning, but Andy Reid who is one of the most respected coaches in the league got rid of a Pro Bowl QB because he thought Kolb gives them a better chance at success. He is the text book west coast QB and has been groomed to fill this role for a few years now. Will he be a success? No one knows.

Right or wrong, people see Kolb as the next 'possible' Aaron Rodgers on a high profile team and people see Matt Moore as the guy who replaced the interception machine Jake Delhomme and the stop-gap until Clausen is ready to take over the show for a young and rebuilding Panthers team. Not saying it is right, but that is just the way it is.

The reason that Kolb is used as a comparison is that both have had very limited action, and Kolb's win loss record is worse than Matt's.

What have you seen in Kolb that makes you think he is the next Aaron Rogers? Nothing. He may be a great QB, but his body of work is so limited that a judgement can't realistically be made. However, you and everyone else make the judgement on Moore that he is only a stop gap.

I am not saying that Matt Morre will be a great or elite QB. But, I have seen enough of him and Kolb to say that there is not enough body of work on either to make that judgement.

[HPPantherzfan]

Fair point....but, please enlighten me on the how Kolb has more potential as a QB. I am really interested in your perspective.

Well, from what I have seen, he does a few things that I think Matt really needs to work on; the most important of which is pocket awareness! Matt has zero! He cannot feel the blindside coming at all and it usually cost us. His passes seem to float, A LOT...nothing real crisp! To me he doesn't scan the field well, Matt that is. I have watched replays and at this point, IMO, Jimmy and Kolb are better at pocket awareness and scanning the field. Lets not even talk about mobility and the ability to make something happen out of nothing which Kolb also seems to have and, to me, Matt doesn't seem to have it! Those are just a few things that I THINK, but we all know what opinions are worth, especially around here

Lets not forget, Kolb also plays in what is supposed to be a much tougher division! The toughest in football some would say!

[SuperLego5]

Well, from what I have seen, he does a few things that I think Matt really needs to work on; the most important of which is pocket awareness! Matt has zero! He cannot feel the blindside coming at all and it usually cost us. His passes seem to float, A LOT...nothing real crisp! To me he doesn't scan the field well, Matt that is. I have watched replays and at this point, IMO, Jimmy and Kolb are better at pocket awareness and scanning the field. Lets not even talk about mobility and the ability to make something happen out of nothing which Kolb also seems to have and, to me, Matt doesn't seem to have it! Those are just a few things that I THINK, but we all know what opinions are worth, especially around here

Lets not forget, Kolb also plays in what is supposed to be a much tougher division! The toughest in football some would say!

Moore has a better record against the NFC East than Kolb...he's actually played a game against an NFC East opponent!

[HPPantherzfan]

Moore has a better record against the NFC East than Kolb...he's actually played a game against an NFC East opponent!

And if all things were judged by record only, Peyton Manning would have never touched another football after his rookie season!

See what I did there?

[MadHatter]

And if all things were judged by record only, Peyton Manning would have never touched another football after his rookie season!

See what I did there?

Yea, we all saw. You pulled something smelly and slimy from your ass and are trying to pass it off as relevant.

[MadHatter]

Well, from what I have seen, he does a few things that I think Matt really needs to work on; the most important of which is pocket awareness! Matt has zero! He cannot feel the blindside coming at all and it usually cost us. His passes seem to float, A LOT...nothing real crisp! To me he doesn't scan the field well, Matt that is. I have watched replays and at this point, IMO, Jimmy and Kolb are better at pocket awareness and scanning the field. Lets not even talk about mobility and the ability to make something happen out of nothing which Kolb also seems to have and, to me, Matt doesn't seem to have it! Those are just a few things that I THINK, but we all know what opinions are worth, especially around here

Lets not forget, Kolb also plays in what is supposed to be a much tougher division! The toughest in football some would say!

Let me put it another way. I am not saying that Kolb will not be better than Moore, or that Kolb will be better than Moore.

There is a limited body of work on both. Kolb, just like Moore, has done nothing that supports the judgement that one will be better than the other. Both have done some nice things....and both have shown some weaknesses. Only time under center as a starting QB will tell.

That is why I find it humorous for people to consider one a sure thing and the other a stop gap. Typical bias.

[Jackofalltrades]

I'd be far more interested in what Jaworski, Gruden, Mayock have to say.