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Adam Schefter: Panthers could release Delhomme

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At the end of the day, the Panthers are just another Falcons. 3/4th of the fanbase puts the QB (like Falcons did with Vick) above all other players, fans, and the organization. The fact the franchise and fans are willing to stick with Jake and not even attempt to groom a replacement tells you why this franchise has never had continued success. 5 years from now when Jake is retired and there's no ring to show for this blind loyalty you'll be hearing alot of "what if we had drafted this guy" or "what if Smitty had a real QB to throw to him" talk. Its sad we're so content with being slightly above average rather than go for the gusto.

As long as Jake is our QB there will be a ceiling to how far we go and it doesnt matter what you put around him to try and hide the fact he is not a championship caliber franchise QB, we cant win a title with him as the QB. Id rather gamble on the unknown than stick with something thats proven for 6 years it cant get it done.

No SBowl without a Franchise QB. OK, let's trade Jonathon Stewart and whatever to get into the first round this year to get our badly needed Franchise QB. DWill and Stew is a luxury we can't afford, should have drafted Flacco at 13 last year.

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The team should try to keep him for one more year by reworking his contract while attempting to bring in a first round QB like Stafford from GA. He has a very strong arm and can move around in the pocket well, but will need time to mature in the NFL. The team will never win a Superbowl with Jake at the helm. I am not sure we can win one with the current coaching staff either. We need a true offensive coordinator who is not so predictable with play calling.

Thankfully we dont have a first round pick to make this bad mistake. A strong arm is vastly overrated. Stafford will not be a decent QB in the league, makes bad decisions and throws way too many picks. No one even seems to acknowledge the presnap direction Jake gives to the line and wr's. I would rather keep Moore and develop him with an understanding of the system. Our coaches are not capable of drafting a qb and developing him.

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No SBowl without a Franchise QB. OK, let's trade Jonathon Stewart and whatever to get into the first round this year to get our badly needed Franchise QB. DWill and Stew is a luxury we can't afford, should have drafted Flacco at 13 last year.

Wow! You need to go away. Your ignorance is sufferable. Flacco is not the reason the Ravens are where they are.

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At the end of the day, the Panthers are just another Falcons. 3/4th of the fanbase puts the QB (like Falcons did with Vick) above all other players, fans, and the organization.

The fact the franchise and fans are willing to stick with Jake and not even attempt to groom a replacement tells you why this franchise has never had continued success. 5 years from now when Jake is retired and there's no ring to show for this blind loyalty you'll be hearing alot of "what if we had drafted this guy" or "what if Smitty had a real QB to throw to him" talk. Its sad we're so content with being slightly above average rather than go for the gusto.

As long as Jake is our QB there will be a ceiling to how far we go and it doesnt matter what you put around him to try and hide the fact he is not a championship caliber franchise QB, we cant win a title with him as the QB. Id rather gamble on the unknown than stick with something thats proven for 6 years it cant get it done.

Since when has ANYONE said that they put Jake above the franchise? How many people are really not going to be Panthers fans when he leaves? And by the way, aren't you the same guy that said Vick was not successful because he wasn't given any good receivers? That some people (I guess the supposed 1/4 who didn't support Vick) in Atlanta were crazy for wanting Matt Schaub to play over Vick and that Schaub never carried his team to the NFC Championship like Vick did? And that Matt Ryan will never be the quarterback that Vick was? Interesting double standard there.

Also stereotyping all of our fans into one neat little bucket and making blanket statements because there are some who don't agree with your views on how to build a team is very classy. I for one am fine with replacing Jake, the issue once again comes to....who is going to do it and at what price? The name I keep hearing is Matt Cassel, and once again, he's not going to come at a cheap price tag and also will cost us draft picks. And while draft picks are an unknown, guys that you could end up losing due to his massive salary include Gross, Peppers, Deangelo (because he's going to want and deserve a raise from his rookie deal), and possibly more. Then there's the whole thing about him playing in Belichick's system, (which I can think we can both agree is a more QB friendly system than the ones that Fox/Davidson run) and the real possibility of us having another Rob Johnson, Scott Mitchell, or even Jeff Lewis on our hands while weakening the rest of our team. As a fellow long term Panther fan, I know you remember the years from 1997-2001 and I doubt you'd want to see that again. I don't want our front office to make the same mistake(s) again.

Odds are we are not getting Warner or McNabb away from teams that are playing in the NFC Championship. I've also heard Kerry Collins...but he's what, 38? How many years would he be able to give us at this point? Jeff Garcia is more of a West Coast offense type of quarterback, which we do not run and also is up there in age.

Maybe the quarterback is on our roster....but I do know that Josh McCown isn't exactly known as a turnover free quarterback and has bounced around on several bad teams before coming here. It's not like our coaching staff really is known for coaching away bad habits, so forgive me if I'm not doing backflips over him.

I would like to see what Matt Moore can do, and he just may get his opportunity to compete for the job in camp and hopefully won't be set back by injury if he does like this year.

As for the draft, the best available spot we have is a late 2nd round pick. Even if we use it on a quarterback (which I'm not totally against if we're convinced we would be able to draft a keeper), what are the chances that he's ready to take over this year? Especially with our coaching staff's proven ability to develop young quarterbacks (snicker).

But whether you want to acknowledge it or not, our defense faltered in the 2nd half of the seson and I'm of the opinion that it wasn't due to lack of talent. That's IMO our biggest problem that needs to be fixed.

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Thankfully we dont have a first round pick to make this bad mistake. A strong arm is vastly overrated. Stafford will not be a decent QB in the league, makes bad decisions and throws way too many picks. No one even seems to acknowledge the presnap direction Jake gives to the line and wr's. I would rather keep Moore and develop him with an understanding of the system. Our coaches are not capable of drafting a qb and developing him.

Brilliant

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Trying to see how bad KT thinks we need a franchise QB, and what he'd give up to replace Jake.

But Flacco has a cannon, I'd take him.

I agree, definitely for the future. But I don't necessarily agree that the Panthers would be playing this week if he was our starting QB.

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All talk about drafting a 'franchise QB' won't add up to a hill of beans if that QB is not properly developed, and has a system installed that can maximize his development and potential. Lots of names have been mentioned on this thread for QBs who so far haven't panned out - Russell, Quinn, to name just a few. It's very possible that those guys are playing for teams, i.e., coaches, who do not know much about developing QBs, or they don't have a QB coach capable of doing so. I think the Panthers suffer from that, Jake's mechanics have not improved much, if at all, since he burst onto the scene in 2003. So given where Jake is now, I have no faith in the Panthers being able to draft a QB 'stud' out of college and that QB will be developed right by Fox or anyone else on this present coaching staff.

Interesting points brought up on the broadcast of the game shown last night on the NFL network. The commentators made the statement that it appeared that the Cards just KNEW, and KNEW WHERE, Jake was going to pass. It would be interesting if the film reveals Jake, or someone or something else, indeed tipping them off.

But that said, I repeat that I wouldn't let Jake go, but I think everyone would benefit from a healthy, open, fair QB competition when camp opens this coming summer.

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Agreed. Although he may develop into a decent QB, all he was this season was a game manager. Their defense is what is carrying them this year.

On the one hand Huddlers want Jake gone becaue he sucks out loud. But a young kid with a cannon who surely wouldn't have thrown 5 picks vs the Cards is a bad idea. :devil:

Which is it ?

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