Yasinskas puts Carolina's 'purge' into perspective

[HPPantherzfan]

In the end it's just a big crap shoot! I think the CBA will get done because both sides realize the impact it could have for years to come...see baseball! I hope Richardson wins on the high rollers table!

[MadHatter]

Hard to believe that so many people here can be so far off base...and think they understand what JR is doing.

Let's take a look at the players that left. The majority were overpriced veterans in the latter stages of their career.

Most were on the defensive side of the ball. However, our defense has come out so far and played fast, agressive, and lights out. Now, it is still very early and a true assessment will have to wait a month or so. But, based on what we have seen so far, we are not missing a single one of those vets.

Landri, Leonard, Tyler, Johnson, etc.. are playing just as well (if not better) than Kemo and Lewis did.

Anyone who thinks Pepper's inconsistent play was worth $20+ million per season should just stop reading and go play with their legos.

Our DE rotation has gotten MORE consistent pressure in the past two games that we have in a LONG time.

Offensively, Jake had to go. End of discussion.

Hoover has not been picked up by anyone. That should tell you that we indeed made the hard but correct decision.

I would have liked to see the team sign a vet #2 WR. But, that is the ONLY area that I can question his moves.

Is JR being frugal? Yes, but he is being business savy. He is ensuring that he has no layoffs in his entire organization.

He will also NOT let our young guys walk. Even without football in 2011, our key guys will still be locked up in contracts....count on that.

As for Fox.....Fox wants elite HC money (and I know this for a fact). His inconsistent results does not warrant such a payday, and JR knows this.

JR is trying to emulate the Steelers. And as such, he has figured out that you do not overpay for aging vets....you do not overpay for retread coaches...you keep your team young, fast and agressive. Therefore, there is damn near zero chance that you will see Cowher here.

Our next coach (if Fox still wants a big payday) will be a coordinator or a young, up and coming coach....such as Frazier.

That is all.

[rayzor]

And as for: Great news, we'll be under the salary cap when there is one again, let's examine that idea. First, the long term successful teams manage their cap well, being near the cap ceiling is not a bad thing at all. San Francisco went over the cap a few years in a row in the late 1990's. Buffalo went well below the cap also in the 1990's. Both were successful teams who took different approaches towards the cap and they both sucked for a long time, at least a decade.

I don't want the Panthers to suck. I really, really don't.

you're talking as if this "going cheap" philosophy is somehting that has always been the case with the panthers but it isn't. panthers have been one of those teams who stays at the cap ceiling. a complaint that has been going on is that the panthers never leave themselves with any cap space and the chicken littles come out and start screaming that carolina should have a lot more space. well...they have it now and now people are calling them cheap.

really silly. they want to rebuild the team...well you need to have cap space to do it right. they have it. when the CBA gets straight they will be spending money once again and once again people will be complaining about not having any cap space.

it's just much better that they spend that money on players that will be around for a long time rather than having all that money tied up in players with little to no future in the league. if they are going to take a loss on those players, wouldn't it make sense to do it in a year where there are no cap implications?

[blackcatgrowl]

talk about putting some spin on it...

Please... the guy says the roster moves in the off-season "wasn’t purely a case of owner Jerry Richardson trying to save money"..

...then goes on to say "(the Panthers) have just about $70 million committed toward a 2011 cap. Only the Chiefs, Raiders and Buccaneers have less committed and none of them are dramatically below the Panthers"

That's some f**kin double-talk if I've ever seen it. How am *I* putting spin on it?

Personally, the idea of being on the same playing level as the Chiefs, Raiders and Bucs makes me sick.... cause they all suck, and we might too.

[MadHatter]

Please... the guy says the roster moves in the off-season "wasn’t purely a case of owner Jerry Richardson trying to save money"..

...then goes on to say "(the Panthers) have just about $70 million committed toward a 2011 cap. Only the Chiefs, Raiders and Buccaneers have less committed and none of them are dramatically below the Panthers"

That's some f**kin double-talk if I've ever seen it. How am *I* putting spin on it?

Personally, the idea of being on the same playing level as the Chiefs, Raiders and Bucs makes me sick.... cause they all suck, and we might too.

We are not on the same level as those teams.

We strategically decided to purge the team of overpriced players during a year that would have no cap consequences.

There is not a single player (save possibly moose) that will be missed this season.

We chose not to overpay in one of the worst FA years in recent history.

JR has this team fast, hungry, and agressive for this season....as well as being positioned to be able to make a splash in FA in the future.

Remember how many players are playing under their RFA Tenders. Teams that overpaid for FA this year will not be able to sign all of their FA's once the CBA is signed.

We are in a great position.

[rayzor]

Please... the guy says the roster moves in the off-season "wasn’t purely a case of owner Jerry Richardson trying to save money"..

...then goes on to say "(the Panthers) have just about $70 million committed toward a 2011 cap. Only the Chiefs, Raiders and Buccaneers have less committed and none of them are dramatically below the Panthers"

That's some f**kin double-talk if I've ever seen it. How am *I* putting spin on it?

Personally, the idea of being on the same playing level as the Chiefs, Raiders and Bucs makes me sick.... cause they all suck, and we might too.

you're putting a spin on the info as much as anyone. if you are interjecting your own opinion on the matter then you are putting your spin on it.

no one knows the whole reasoning behind what richardson and the FO has done this year. you think you know but your take on it is about as crappy as anyone else's because unless you are part of it all then you don't know. all you and anyone can do is interpret what they see. every interpretation is flawed, including yours.

[GRWatcher]

you're talking as if this "going cheap" philosophy is somehting that has always been the case with the panthers but it isn't. panthers have been one of those teams who stays at the cap ceiling. a complaint that has been going on is that the panthers never leave themselves with any cap space and the chicken littles come out and start screaming that carolina should have a lot more space. well...they have it now and now people are calling them cheap.

really silly. they want to rebuild the team...well you need to have cap space to do it right. they have it. when the CBA gets straight they will be spending money once again and once again people will be complaining about not having any cap space.

it's just much better that they spend that money on players that will be around for a long time rather than having all that money tied up in players with little to no future in the league. if they are going to take a loss on those players, wouldn't it make sense to do it in a year where there are no cap implications?

I never said the Panthers are cheap. Or that they've been cheap. They haven't been. And don't put me in the *small* crowd that have complained in the past. That I have never done. I'm not sure those that do really understand what a cap is all about.

What I am saying is that the argument about having half your cap money available being a good thing after this is all said & done doesn't hold water. You also might not have the players you want. And how the hell do you know any of our players will be with the Panthers for a long time? Can I borrow your crystal ball?

Who thinks the owners are totally in control? :dupe: Who would be a dupe and think the players-active-before-lockout will do nothing? Especially if they don't have a contract.

Yes, it made sense to take the $$ losses in the only year where there are no future cap penalties. That's not in dispute. Actually doing it to the extreme that we have is what is questioned.

[rayzor]

We are not on the same level as those teams.

We strategically decided to purge the team of overpriced players during a year that would have no cap consequences.

There is not a single player (save possibly moose) that will be missed this season.

We chose not to overpay in one of the worst FA years in recent history.

JR has this team fast, hungry, and agressive for this season....as well as being positioned to be able to make a splash in FA in the future.

Remember how many players are playing under their RFA Tenders. Teams that overpaid for FA this year will not be able to sign all of their FA's once the CBA is signed.

We are in a great position.

yep. the position is great. when the CBA is straightened out or even if it isn't and FA opens back up, the panthers are going to have a ton of money to spend. for a team that is typically near the top as far as money spent, that is a good thing.

you want the team to get better for the long haul? you pull this.

1) you cut yourself free from players that have no future and you do it when there is no penalty for doing so.

2) you don't waste money on the crappiest FA class in years. there were very few players on the market. when there is limited supply but the demand is high, the prices are going to be high.

3) you get low risk players to come in and fill gaps hoping that they will fill gaps until the next FA season opens up

4) you make available as much money as you can so that when FA opens up after you know what is going to happen with the CBA you can go on a spending spree and be the big spender that every other team wishes they could be but can't because they a) don't have an FO and owner who likes to typically be one of the biggest spenders and don't ahve the money or cap space that the panthers have.

you can complain about that all you want. you can spend that to say that isn't what has happened, is happening, or will happen...but these guys making the decisions are much smarter than you and have much better minds for business and are much more successful than you are or probably could ever hope to be.

[blackcatgrowl]

We are not on the same level as those teams.

We strategically decided to purge the team of overpriced players during a year that would have no cap consequences.

There is not a single player (save possibly moose) that will be missed this season.

We chose not to overpay in one of the worst FA years in recent history.

JR has this team fast, hungry, and agressive for this season....as well as being positioned to be able to make a splash in FA in the future.

Remember how many players are playing under their RFA Tenders. Teams that overpaid for FA this year will not be able to sign all of their FA's once the CBA is signed.

We are in a great position.

First off, lets define a "throw-away year".

To me, this means that ownership and the front office's PRIMARY goal is something OTHER than WINNING the Superbowl.

The fact is this "spend thrift" attitude is reflective of just that.

We needed help at WR two years ago and NOTHING was done in Free Agency last year or this year to fix it. And there have been some GREAT receivers in Free Agency the past couple years (Bolden would have been an awesome compliment to Smitty). Yeah, we've drafted some receivers, but, as the case with MANY draft picks, you don't know what you are getting until game time.

And what about special teams? We've had how many Punt Returners the past couple years? We released a guy who could kick the ball to the back of the end zone on kickoffs consistently. As poorly as they played last year, we did nothing to bolster them, except, again, draft some guys (a QB to return punts none-the-less, lol).

Yeah, we've got some talent for the running game... and one good, but aging, receiver. Other than that, everything is still a question mark. And if we were having problems with a particular aspect of our game, and didn't bring in players who we know will improve it... then how can we not say Richardson isn't "being cheap"? If one phase of your game isn't working right, you aren't going to go all the way.

[rayzor]

I never said the Panthers are cheap. Or that they've been cheap. They haven't been. And don't put me in the *small* crowd that have complained in the past. That I have never done. I'm not sure those that do really understand what a cap is all about.

What I am saying is that the argument about having half your cap money available being a good thing after this is all said & done doesn't hold water. You also might not have the players you want. And how the hell do you know any of our players will be with the Panthers for a long time? Can I borrow your crystal ball?

Who thinks the owners are totally in control? :dupe: Who would be a dupe and think the players-active-before-lockout will do nothing? Especially if they don't have a contract.

Yes, it made sense to take the $$ losses in the only year where there are no future cap penalties. That's not in dispute. Actually doing it to the extreme that we have is what is questioned.

if they aren't there they have the money to go after replacements that are on par with what we lost or better.

i'm not making any predictions. i'm just saying that they put themselves in a good situation to take care of these players they want to keep around and get new players that will help for the long haul.

[rayzor]

First off, lets define a "throw-away year".

To me, this means that ownership and the front office's PRIMARY goal is something OTHER than WINNNING the Superbowl.

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could it be that their goal is to put themselves in a better position to win the superbowl or at least be serious contenders for it for many years to come because they decided to be frugal this year?

[blackcatgrowl]

you're putting a spin on the info as much as anyone. if you are interjecting your own opinion on the matter then you are putting your spin on it.

no one knows the whole reasoning behind what richardson and the FO has done this year. you think you know but your take on it is about as crappy as anyone else's because unless you are part of it all then you don't know. all you and anyone can do is interpret what they see. every interpretation is flawed, including yours.

Yasinskas saying we're "not being cheap", then stating "we're in the bottom 5 teams of cap room for 2011" is not MY opinion. It is fact he stated this. And that is factually contradictory.

It is also a fact that if we are in the bottom 5 of the cap room for 2011, then we running "cheaper" than 27 other teams.

This isn't spin dude.

[rayzor]

Yasinskas saying we're "not being cheap", then stating "we're in the bottom 5 teams of cap room for 2011" is not MY opinion. It is fact he stated this. And that is factually contradictory.

It is also a fact that if we are in the bottom 5 of the cap room for 2011, then we running "cheaper" than 27 other teams.

This isn't spin dude.

your interpretation of what they are doing and their reasoning for it is spin.

you can be a conservative investor holding back when the market is good and liquidating assets to put in in position to make a big move when the market is better and still not be "cheap".

not spending money when there is very little value to be had and opting to wait until things are better is not being cheap. it's called being fiscally responsible and forward thinking.

[MadHatter]

First off, lets define a "throw-away year".

To me, this means that ownership and the front office's PRIMARY goal is something OTHER than WINNNING the Superbowl.

The fact is this "spend thrift" attitude is reflective of just that.

We needed help at WR two years ago and NOTHING was done in Free Agency last year or this year to fix it. And there have been some GREAT receivers in Free Agency the past couple years (Bolden would have been an awesome compliment to Smitty). Yeah, we've drafted some receivers, but, as the case with MANY draft picks, you don't know what you are getting until game time.

And what about special teams? We've had how many Punt Returners the past couple years? We released a guy who could kick the ball to the back of the end zone on kickoffs consistently. As poorly as they played last year, we did nothing to bolster them, except, again, draft some guys (a QB to return punts none-the-less, lol).

Yeah, we've got some talent for the running game... and one good, but aging, receiver. Other than that, everything is still a question mark. And if we were having problems with a particular aspect of our game, and didn't bring in players who we know will improve it... then how can we not say Richardson isn't "being cheap"? If one phase of your game isn't working right, you aren't going to go all the way.

You need to understand that the Passing Game is and always will be an after thought. We will NOT bring in two elite WR's at the same time. Money will be spent on RB, OLine, and Defense.