Fox # 1 NFL Coach On Hotseat?

[MHS831]

My gut says Fox is going to be one of the most sought-after coaches in the NFL after the season. Not offering a contract goes both ways. For him to clean house and still win 9 or 10 games would make him perfect for the post CBA NFL. I think we will win 10 games--or 4. My gut can be an idiot.

[HPPantherzfan]

Well, with the passing of Cowher's wife.. I could see him coming back to the game. He left to spend time with her and her cancer. I do not think he wants to be an analyst forever but he took over the position to stay close to football, but be able to spend more time with his wife. I think Cowher comes back somewhere. Considering the relationship Richardson has with Rooney and Cowher liked the Pittsburgh system, I could see him working out here just fine.

However, it is all a crapshoot.

Not sure if he will be or not but its highly unlikely that he will leave this area now! His daughter is here and she loves it...he will stay close to her now that the wife is gone.

[Carolina Fan]

I love John Fox, However he might not be the greatest coach atleast he is respectable, i just don't want a coach like Rex Ryan who makes your team look like a pile of poo.

[Razeyfingers]

Someone on the forums here mentioned that it would never happen. . Cowher coming to the Panthers that is. I dont see why he wouldnt end up here but recall reading something that sort of made sense about it.

Bah time to use the search tools and. . . do the nasty.

[CRA]

You mean the same team that basically started the Super Bowl squad plus Mark Fields who came back from Hodgkins? Smith broke his leg in game 1 vs Gb, Jenkins went down but I believe it was Moorehead that tookover in the middle, and Davis injuries that finally derailed his career? Deshaun "Fumble" Foster was hurt. Goings had a few years in the NFL when he took over after four rbs had went down. Gamble,Wharton started as a rookies and Colbert was forced into it as Steve was hurt. Other than that, 19/22 from the Super bowl squad started that first game.

It was the year that Delhomme almost singlehandly threw them into the playoffs with Muhammad. He'd repeat this in 2005 with Smith.

I was impressed with Fox that year b/c he did show a half time adjustment and then adjusted his entire team the 2nd half. He got aggressive on defense....and it made a huge difference.

as far as Jake, that was the start of tunnel vision Delhomme. I'll give Jake some credit in 04 but Smitty deserves the bulk for 05. Smith had like 800+ yards after the catch that year. That really helps pad a QBs stats.

[PantherFanOne]

If John Fox is not retained by the Panthers and no HC position is presently available he could possible go to the Gaints as their DC,especiallly if Tom Coughlin stays as HC and present DC Perry Fewell bombs out.

If one will remember, the Giants were enamored with the way Fox for five years ran their defense with a charismatic flair, triggering intense loyalty.

How enamored were they? After going 7-9 in 2001, there was discussion about firing Jim Fassel — only one year removed from a Super Bowl appearance — and promoting Fox in order to keep him in the organization. Just saying.

[panthers55]

Two words.....cupcake schedule. Panthers only played 1 team with a winning record the 2nd half of 2004 (who we lost to). We had more than enough to talent to defeat those pathetic teams even with injuries. One of the most overrated coaching jobs in NFL history.

When you take a schedule that is apparently tough enough to make you 1-7 and turn it around to 6-2, it really doesn't matter who you play. There are always tough and easy games every year. The mark of a good team is beating opponents they should beat.

We played Atlanta who went to the NFC championship that year. We played Tampa twice, NO twice, St Louis, Arizona, and San Fran in the second half.

Anyone will tell you that divisional games are difficult regardless of the records. St Louis was 8-8 and while Arizona was 6-10 and San Fran 2-14, they certainly didn't roll over. One of the Rams 8 victories for example was against Philly who went 13-3 that year. So really schedule tells a much less tale that you obviously think.

[ElkinPanthersFan]

I was impressed with Fox that year b/c he did show a half time adjustment and then adjusted his entire team the 2nd half. He got aggressive on defense....and it made a huge difference.

as far as Jake, that was the start of tunnel vision Delhomme. I'll give Jake some credit in 04 but Smitty deserves the bulk for 05. Smith had like 800+ yards after the catch that year. That really helps pad a QBs stats.

Smith's YAC yards in 2005 were crazy. One thing we do agree about is that this team plays much better when they actually get aggressive on defense. They have threwout his tenure here. They tend to get aggressive when they have little to play for, ie out of the playoffs, and the defense really picks up. I wish they would translate this when they are competitive, however, they just to into conservative mode. Play not to lose the game, rather than playing to win it.

[Razeyfingers]

Yep putting the fear into a team like that changes many dynamics in a game. Fear has to be the most powerful tool in the coach's arsenal. It's a wonder why we dont gamble with it more but Fox doesnt seem to ever like going down that road. To tell you the truth, I wouldn't know any better . . its simply more fun to watch.

[Carolina Fan]

Only coach id rather have is gruden

[panthers55]

You mean the same team that basically started the Super Bowl squad plus Mark Fields who came back from Hodgkins? Smith broke his leg in game 1 vs Gb, Jenkins went down but I believe it was Moorehead that tookover in the middle, and Davis injuries that finally derailed his career? Deshaun "Fumble" Foster was hurt. Goings had a few years in the NFL when he took over after four rbs had went down. Gamble,Wharton started as a rookies and Colbert was forced into it as Steve was hurt. Other than that, 19/22 from the Super bowl squad started that first game.

It was the year that Delhomme almost singlehandly threw them into the playoffs with Muhammad. He'd repeat this in 2005 with Smith.

Yeah that lost 10 starters to IR and had another 6 players miss some portions of the season. And it wasn't Moorhead but Carstens who came in for Jenkins.

And they lost the first game, won the second and then lost 6 in a row after the injuries kept piling on. It wasn't that everyone was hurt week 1 just that they didn't have time to recover from one injury before another one hit.

As for Superbowl team, we went 10-6 in 2003 with a bunch of last minute comebacks by jake. It wasn't as great a team as people made it out to be. We just got on a roll at the end of the season.

[panthers55]

Smith's YAC yards in 2005 were crazy. One thing we do agree about is that this team plays much better when they actually get aggressive on defense. They have threwout his tenure here. They tend to get aggressive when they have little to play for, ie out of the playoffs, and the defense really picks up. I wish they would translate this when they are competitive, however, they just to into conservative mode. Play not to lose the game, rather than playing to win it.

Yeah like how they only played that way in 2005 when they were out of the playoffs and ended up 3rd in defense.

And again in 2006 when they were battling at 6-6 (were 6-4 until they lost 2 tough ones) then Jake went down for 3 games and Weinke was awful and they ended up 7th in total defense and went 8-8 for the year.

Oh wait....................

Nevermind................

[ElkinPanthersFan]

Yeah that lost 10 starters to IR and had another 6 players miss some portions of the season. And it wasn't Moorhead but Carstens who came in for Jenkins.

And they lost the first game, won the second and then lost 6 in a row after the injuries kept piling on. It wasn't that everyone was hurt week 1 just that they didn't have time to recover from one injury before another one hit.

As for Superbowl team, we went 10-6 in 2003 with a bunch of last minute comebacks by jake in. It wasn't as great as people made it out to be. We just got on a roll at the end of the season.

Kindal Moorehead had 12 starts.. Jenkins had the other ones..http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2004_roster.htm

Steve Smith hurt in game 1.

Davis hurt before game 2 in practice.

Foster started 3 games played in 4..

Jenkins played in 4...

I get your point..but Muhammad and Delhomme got them to that point. Not so much the coaching. Why couldnt Fox coach up Deshaun's fumbles? Colbert's decline after 2004, Carter's non-ability to catch a cold. Why couldn't he develop a quarterback? Why couldn't he develop any other defensive lineman after Jenkins left? Fox is a product of consistancy.. between 7-9 and 11-5.. Easily he could have less than 7 win seasons.. 2003 and 2008 could have easily been 8-8 seasons... a good team will win the close ones and they did.

11-5 was 2003 btw too.. Carolina started out 5-0 that season.. lost once then won and lost 3 straigt and then won 3 at the end of the season.. beat the Cardinals by 3.. Lions by 4.. Not exactly on a roll.

[PantherBob]

When you take a schedule that is apparently tough enough to make you 1-7 and turn it around to 6-2, it really doesn't matter who you play. There are always tough and easy games every year. The mark of a good team is beating opponents they should beat.

We played Atlanta who went to the NFC championship that year. We played Tampa twice, NO twice, St Louis, Arizona, and San Fran in the second half.

Anyone will tell you that divisional games are difficult regardless of the records. St Louis was 8-8 and while Arizona was 6-10 and San Fran 2-14, they certainly didn't roll over. One of the Rams 8 victories for example was against Philly who went 13-3 that year. So really schedule tells a much less tale that you obviously think.

Sorry but the schedule tells the entire tale.

The reason they started 1-7 is because they had to play the good teams like the packers (10-6), Falcons (11-5), Broncos (10-6), Eagles (13-3), chargers (12-4), and seahawks (9-7).

The reason they went 6-2 the 2nd half of the season is because they played the sorry teams like the bucs twice (5-11), the saints (8-8), rams (8-8), 49ers (2-14), and cardinals (6-10).

The only ones who deserve credit for that "brilliant" 2nd half of the season was the schedule makers for backloading all the cupcake teams. Even if they had mixed up the games the end result would have been the same... 7-9. Fox has proven through his whole tenure that he can beat up on the cup cakes but doesnt have what it takes to consistently keep with the big boys.