Gantt: Peppers.

[goodlay]

im not basing this off of anything, but I really think some time after he retires, it's going to come out that he has depression or severe anxiety.

I've had a history of depression in my family so I've seen it first hand. It's difficult to understand, especially for us who look up to these guys, but a lot of them have problems. A lot of them can't handle it, and a lot of them don't want it. You look at Vince Young or Ricky Williams. We like to laugh at them, but there are problems there that money and fame can't solve.

Peppers has just never seemed right since about mid way through 2004. i'm not saying he has to be ray lewis, but he's completely undemonstrative. he loses his focus during games. He's like a more talented andruw jones.

Oh, absolutely, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he suffers from a mental disorder. It's happened to me and it runs in my family as well, and he does kind of seem like the type of guy that would suffer from it. It was just the all of a sudden drastic drop-off that was really odd, and there's no way his skill level just randomly left him, it was clearly something emotional.

[CarolinaSock]

All defensive ends disappear in games. Peppers went 6 games without a sack, same as Abraham. The man everyone wants Peppers to be like, Jared Allen, went 7 games. Tuck 8 games, Freeney 6 games, and Mario Williams 9 games. Also as of 12/12 Peppers was tied for 2nd in QB hurries in the league. The expectations for Peppers from fans are just ridiculous and completely unreasonable when you compare to what the other D-ends in the league do.

[grateflday]

All defensive ends disappear in games. Peppers went 6 games without a sack, same as Abraham. The man everyone wants Peppers to be like, Jared Allen, went 7 games. Tuck 8 games, Freeney 6 games, and Mario Williams 9 games. Also as of 12/12 Peppers was tied for 2nd in QB hurries in the league. The expectations for Peppers from fans are just ridiculous and completely unreasonable when you compare to what the other D-ends in the league do.

I dont necessarily agree with this. The difference I see between Peppers and they guys you mentioned is more than just the # of sacks and games without. Those other three just seam to create havoc and are more disruptive on a consistent basis. Plus they show up in big games not just for one or two plays.

For me the key issue is not whether or not Peppers is a good player - its is he worth a huge contract. Sometimes it is just best to move on. Either way Fox and Hurney have a big decision to make.

[AKPantherFan]

Your comprehension skills suck almost as much as my spelling.

my spellings woorse

[CarolinaSock]

I dont necessarily agree with this. The difference I see between Peppers and they guys you mentioned is more than just the # of sacks and games without. Those other three just seam to create havoc and are more disruptive on a consistent basis. Plus they show up in big games not just for one or two plays.

For me the key issue is not whether or not Peppers is a good player - its is he worth a huge contract. Sometimes it is just best to move on. Either way Fox and Hurney have a big decision to make.

Havoc, like... QB hurries. Oh yeah, he's a leader in those as well. Face it, you guys just expect him to be on the QB all the time and it just doesn't work that way.

[grateflday]

Havoc, like... QB hurries. Oh yeah, he's a leader in those as well. Face it, you guys just expect him to be on the QB all the time and it just doesn't work that way.

The amount of QB hurries Pep creates is not worth a HUGE contract. The other players discussed in the previouse post have alot more games where they create pressure and hurry the QB for entire games.

In a perfect world Peppers is a Panther with a reasonable contract and there is another player on the D line that is the main guy. That aint gonna happen unfortunately. So what to do is the question? As a fan I am going to trust Fox and Hurney on this. I just dont think it so unreasonable to have the conversation and debate asking the question that they are asking themselves:

1. Do the panthers keep Peppers and sign him to a huge contract and pretty much have the same Dline next year (that was nothing special this year, and we cant just count on improvement from the young guys)

or

2. Tag him, then trade him for a 1st and another (x)? round pick - Use those picks and saved money to stock up on the defense to improve.

[Pantherxtreme]

I dont necessarily agree with this. The difference I see between Peppers and they guys you mentioned is more than just the # of sacks and games without. Those other three just seam to create havoc and are more disruptive on a consistent basis. Plus they show up in big games not just for one or two plays.

For me the key issue is not whether or not Peppers is a good player - its is he worth a huge contract. Sometimes it is just best to move on. Either way Fox and Hurney have a big decision to make.

Based off what? the few highlights you see of those guys, Abraham didnt record a sack against Warner the week before our game either was that not a big game?

Whateva your basing disruptive havoc on basically falls under your opinion, based off the stats however it doesnt show anywhere that those guy were anymore consistant than Pep this year.

[Peppers90 NC]

"My future in the NFL, I want to win," he replied. "I want to win a Super Bowl. That's the ultimate goal, that's why we play. I want to be on a great team, I want to be around great guys, I want to be with a great organization...."

Hmm, maybe he should take a smaller contract so the team can afford some other players so the team can win a Super Bowl.

Especially with this statement: "He has made it clear in the past he is not concerned with the economic aspects of a new deal, and reiterated that Sunday when asked his priorities for his future."

Besides, I dont want to have to change my damn name.

[Fiz]

pantherxtreme i feel like you don't understand why exactly we are frustrated with peppers.

at the end of the year, he might have more sacks or hurries than other defensive ends. However, there is far more to playing defensive end then getting those sacks. the reason that peppers isn't a top five (or ten imo) de/olb in the league is because when he's not getting sacks, he's not doing anything. those guys may not have the stats at the end of the year, but they're disruptive every play.

when peppers vanishes, he does nothing. when suggs vanishes, he's still putting pressure, or demanding double teams, or jumping into the pile.

i watch more football than is probably healthy for me, and as much as i had wanted to deny this fact, when you watch the elite people play, they never stop. that's what separates all of these people from peppers. Julius' end year stats only make it worse. what could he do with the motor and desire of someone like aaron kampan? or hell, tyler brayton, who has less than half of the natural talent but plays his hardest every down?

i'd tell you to watch julius in the 2nd half of the giants game, but you wouldn't be able to see him because by then he'd totally vanished

[grateflday]

pantherxtreme i feel like you don't understand why exactly we are frustrated with peppers.

at the end of the year, he might have more sacks or hurries than other defensive ends. However, there is far more to playing defensive end then getting those sacks. the reason that peppers isn't a top five (or ten imo) de/olb in the league is because when he's not getting sacks, he's not doing anything. those guys may not have the stats at the end of the year, but they're disruptive every play.

when peppers vanishes, he does nothing. when suggs vanishes, he's still putting pressure, or demanding double teams, or jumping into the pile.

i watch more football than is probably healthy for me, and as much as i had wanted to deny this fact, when you watch the elite people play, they never stop. that's what separates all of these people from peppers. Julius' end year stats only make it worse. what could he do with the motor and desire of someone like aaron kampan? or hell, tyler brayton, who has less than half of the natural talent but plays his hardest every down?

i'd tell you to watch julius in the 2nd half of the giants game, but you wouldn't be able to see him because by then he'd totally vanished

:iagree:

[panthersphan]

I hate to say it...but bring in the Chin...

[Pantherxtreme]

pantherxtreme i feel like you don't understand why exactly we are frustrated with peppers.

at the end of the year, he might have more sacks or hurries than other defensive ends. However, there is far more to playing defensive end then getting those sacks. the reason that peppers isn't a top five (or ten imo) de/olb in the league is because when he's not getting sacks, he's not doing anything. those guys may not have the stats at the end of the year, but they're disruptive every play.

when peppers vanishes, he does nothing. when suggs vanishes, he's still putting pressure, or demanding double teams, or jumping into the pile.

i watch more football than is probably healthy for me, and as much as i had wanted to deny this fact, when you watch the elite people play, they never stop. that's what separates all of these people from peppers. Julius' end year stats only make it worse. what could he do with the motor and desire of someone like aaron kampan? or hell, tyler brayton, who has less than half of the natural talent but plays his hardest every down?

i'd tell you to watch julius in the 2nd half of the giants game, but you wouldn't be able to see him because by then he'd totally vanished

Fiz I understand what your saying, but if the options are either overpaying for Jordan Gross or overpaying for Peppers I'll rather overpay for Peppers.

Reguardless if you feel he has the motor or not the fact of the matter is he tackled the QB behind the line of scrimmage 6.5 more times than Suggs did this year and he plays on a much more agressively schemed defense and honestly a much better supporting cast as well.

[PanthersFanInGA]

I have a feeling we have seen the last of Peppers on the Carolina Panthers. I just hope if this is true we end up with a couple solid players.

[Fox007]

I think it isn't just Peppers, I bet if they had an amnesty meeting over the defense, every player would say how displeased they are with it.

In the second half of the season, all the players on defense looked frustrated and out of wack.

You can't blame all those mistakes on the players, especially since none of those issues came up until after our first bye.

After that bye it is obvious something was added, tweaked, or changed, and that took our top 10 defense and flushed it down the toilet.