Steve Palazzolo and Sam Monson on Panthers free agency

[MHS831]

I think free agency should be to fill holes, but the draft is where you find your stars/elite players.  Here is why, and it is mathy.  I majored in English/Journalism.

I draft Williams and get him for 4 years at $2m per.  I then sign him to a $26m  4 year contract.  Williams was my DT at an average of $14m per year for 8 years.

I sign Williams as a free agent for $26m, I get him for 4 years and during those four years, paid him an average of $12m more than average over 8 years...Hold on, there is more.

If I draft Williams at $2m per year for 4 years and then let him enter free agency, you could argue that I got a bargain, but if you look at the arc of a typical career, you allowed a developing player to occupy a roster spot and you paid $8m for him to go to another team during his prime.  You become a farm team for the other 31 teams.

So it is best to draft and keep your players--and not overpay for free agents or let your developmental talent walk.  

I am dizzy now.

Edited 3 hours ago by MHS831

[Icege]

20 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

https://overthecap.com/player/tershawn-wharton/9070
 

 

@mrcompletely11

$6.5M this season (tied for 39th w/ Shy Tuttle), $19M next season (14th highest salary for a DT).

Can save $15M cutting him in 2027.

Looks like a lot of the defensive contracts handed out are getting guys on the cheap this season while being just slightly more expensive than the yearly avg in year two, but with plenty of room to wiggle out in year three.

Edited 3 hours ago by Icege

[Jay Roosevelt]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Well you just have to get a guy like Brown in this defense. We need a space eater/run stopper at NT. We haven't had that and it showed. I agree Brown was likely to happen with or without Williams. 

My issue with Wharton is that he has even less flexibility than Jones. He is a pass rush specialist only. So keeping him on the field for three downs makes our defense worse against the run, which is not desirable at all.

I don't think that's the plan, TBH. I think you'll continue to see A'Shawn Robinson rotated in. Wharton will play essentially the same role (though probably not as well) Milton Williams would have; neither are great against the run so that was always going to be an issue.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

I don't think that's the plan, TBH. I think you'll continue to see A'Shawn Robinson rotated in. Wharton will play essentially the same role (though probably not as well) Milton Williams would have; neither are great against the run so that was always going to be an issue.

I agree, I think he is a rotational guy but he has a top 20 contract at the position, which is completely nuts. That was my biggest heartburn. I don't have an issue adding some rotational pass rushing juice, I am all for it. But damn.....at that money???? Jesus.

[Icege]

6 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

I don't think that's the plan, TBH. I think you'll continue to see A'Shawn Robinson rotated in. Wharton will play essentially the same role (though probably not as well) Milton Williams would have; neither are great against the run so that was always going to be an issue.

Going to be interesting how they work this considering Bobby Brown III was upset that the Rams weren't letting him rush the passer. I think that you're exactly right: Robinson on run downs and Wharton otherwise.

I also think Robinson is gone after this season. He's gonna run the team $9.5M this season and $10M next season, but the team saves $8M cutting him after this year. Hard to not see the team drafting a DT or two this year and next.

[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, Icege said:

Going to be interesting how they work this considering Bobby Brown III was upset that the Rams weren't letting him rush the passer. I think that you're exactly right: Robinson on run downs and Wharton otherwise.

I also think Robinson is gone after this season. He's gonna run the team $9.5M this season and $10M next season, but the team saves $8M cutting him after this year. Hard to not see the team drafting a DT or two this year and next.

I think Robinson will be the rotation guy while Wharton becomes the starter. I think that's how they see it.

[Jay Roosevelt]

29 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I agree, I think he is a rotational guy but he has a top 20 contract at the position, which is completely nuts. That was my biggest heartburn. I don't have an issue adding some rotational pass rushing juice, I am all for it. But damn.....at that money???? Jesus.

He'll be a starter; it'll be Robinson who rotates in. But what I'm saying is it would have been the same with Milton Williams, who also struggles against the run. The goal was clearly to add a pass rusher at that position; they're counting on Derrick and Bobby Brown to provide the run D up front. So it was either sign Wharton to a top-20 contract or sign Williams to a top-5 contract; either way I feel like the plan was always to rotate A'Shawn Robinson in with the new guy being the starter.

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

He'll be a starter; it'll be Robinson who rotates in. But what I'm saying is it would have been the same with Milton Williams, who also struggles against the run. The goal was clearly to add a pass rusher at that position; they're counting on Derrick and Bobby Brown to provide the run D up front. So it was either sign Wharton to a top-20 contract or sign Williams to a top-5 contract; either way I feel like the plan was always to rotate A'Shawn Robinson in with the new guy being the starter.

Yeah, I really don't like either of those contract options, TBH.

I think roughly equivalent players can be had in the draft for nickels, comparatively.

Oh well, we will see how it works out.

[TD alt]

3 hours ago, Icege said:

To further my point, that all came together over the course of 20min by just opening a couple of extra tabs to look up and/or verify information. These chucklefugs couldn't even do that.

"Chucklefugs!?" Love it (and the point)!