After Day three.... New draft strategy?

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

89 was #2 in return yardage and lead the NFL in return scores with 2.  arguably best in the league his rookie season hence the Pro Bowl/all rookie team. 

and a comparison to Luke (an all time GOAT) has nothing to do with Morgan proving he was legit NFL dude as a rookie.   Morgan made the all rookie team and no one was debating at the end of the year if we made the right decision.  

 

If you only see the field a half dozen times a game you are not great. And I already said Morgan was the best of the three which you would expect as a first tounder. Notice you didn't mention anything about  Jenkins.  So let's review. In what was considered our best draft ever we had a role player who was good the few times he played, a good player who was our first rounder and a guy who struggled with weight and desire their rookie seasons.

I remember being one of the few posters really excited about Kueckly. I can remember several debates on the huddle about him getting so many tackles because BC funneled all the plays to him when we drafted him. So the point is that you can't always tell if a guy is going to be great when you draft them or even after his rookie year except in cases like Kuechly and you need to wait for a few years to see how they develop. That was my point. Nitpicking an example doesn't negate the whole point. That missing the forest to argue about a tree.

[kungfoodude]

11 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Is Legette a turd? What about Bryce? With the yearly turnover in coaches and systems it would be hard for any player to excel. Hopefully with stability we can actually develop our players  and let them grow into their roles. 

XL is trending turd. Bryce is a TBD.

 

[jfra78]

29 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

XL is trending turd. Bryce is a TBD.

 

I think you judge too harshly.  XL showed more than some give him credit for.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

XL is trending turd. Bryce is a TBD.

 

Bryce trended steaming  cow patty last year. .w

What a difference a year and good coaching can make.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, jfra78 said:

I think you judge too harshly.  XL showed more than some give him credit for.

 

55 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Bryce trended steaming  cow patty last year. .w

What a difference a year and good coaching can make.

We will see.

[SOJA]

I don't think he makes it to 8 but he'd be the easy choice if he was there whether you view him as a WR or a CB. 

[Icege]

11 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Bryce trended steaming  cow patty last year. .w

What a difference a year and good coaching can make.

This is one of the many reasons for the 3yr rule.

Average career is slightly over 3yrs, so at this point teams will know a player's contributions. Year One is getting acclimated as a rookie. Year Two is the dreaded sophomore slump. Year Three is the prove it year to see if they'll see Year Four. If they've made it to Year Four but haven't impressed, they're basically trying out for next season to be on ANY team.

That's why all of the tit pinching over XL and Bryce has been so ridiculous to me. It's not like players developing isn’t normal. 

Edited yesterday at 12:50 PM by Icege

[carpanfan96]

On 3/12/2025 at 11:56 PM, Hoenheim said:

If you're drafting as high as 8 you get the most sure fire player almost regardless of position IMO that falls to you. 

I don't care if that's Tet McMillain, Tyler Warren, Jaylon Walker, Mason Graham, etc. Only positions I wouldn't draft is QB and RB at 8. 

You're over thinking this stuff about Travis Hunter. I don't think he drops to 8. Of course he'd be a steal at 8, but you also have to hope he doesn't end up being a Chinn/Simmons where he's a jack of multiple positions but a master of none. Also worry about him staying healthy with that thin frame and insane snap count. 

Hypothetically because his stock is falling, you wouldn’t draft Sanders at 8? 

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Hypothetically because his stock is falling, you wouldn’t draft Sanders at 8? 

Hell no. I wouldn't draft Sanders period.

[Bear Hands]

We’re getting Mykel or Shemar accept it. Morgan’s mind is made up.

[Bear Hands]

It’s very similar to the type of rumors with XL last year. We can’t seem to hide it.

We’re locked in on the developmental big edge rushers and getting one. 

Wouldnt surprise me if Morgan was so locked in he picks them over an available Graham, McMillan, or Johnson 

[CRA]

On 3/15/2025 at 4:19 PM, panthers55 said:

If you only see the field a half dozen times a game you are not great. And I already said Morgan was the best of the three which you would expect as a first tounder. Notice you didn't mention anything about  Jenkins.  So let's review. In what was considered our best draft ever we had a role player who was good the few times he played, a good player who was our first rounder and a guy who struggled with weight and desire their rookie seasons.

I remember being one of the few posters really excited about Kueckly. I can remember several debates on the huddle about him getting so many tackles because BC funneled all the plays to him when we drafted him. So the point is that you can't always tell if a guy is going to be great when you draft them or even after his rookie year except in cases like Kuechly and you need to wait for a few years to see how they develop. That was my point. Nitpicking an example doesn't negate the whole point. That missing the forest to argue about a tree.

so to be clear, upon your review, an All Pro/Pro Bowl/All Rookie Team season isn't an example of a rookie showing his team he is a legit NFL player?  That's some mental gymnastics IMO. 

you concede Morgan.  So that's 2 out of your 3.  

Which does leave Jenkins, who still managed 11 starts as a rookie and was a Pro Bowler by year 2. 

I just don't see how THAT trio is what you are going to dig your heels in on as the example of needing time and patience. 

 Sure everyone needs time to develop.  Some positions more than others (as I highlighted, I think guys in trenches need more time than other spots).  But in today's NFL, skill players should be showing you windows and glimpses they were the right pick pending they get opportunity and their aren't unusual circumstances.   It's not 1990.  They are out there running college schemes in today's NFL.  Passing game is totally different today.  And it's way you see all these 1k seasons from rookie after rookie after rookie after rookie today...they didn't exist years ago.  So when Mingo looks like utter trash......you don't need to let 3 years in the books sink in before starting to judge him.