Per Yasinskas: Quarterback Competition?

[Jpjr]

How many wins does Cantwell have in the NFL? Actually, how many completions. I mean, how many snaps?

That was a pretty bad comparison.

I assume you are referring to those posters who asserted that Cantwell should play over Clausen because of his experience in the NFL.

I completely agree with you.

[Guild]

Moore backers: "MATTEH!!"

Clausen backers: JIMMEH!!"

that's all I get from this thread.

What I'm getting is:

JIMMEH SO GODLEEEEEE

And:

No, not really. I wouldn't say he was better than Moore and it is not a certainty that he ever will be. He did look decent in PS1 though.

[Peppers90 NC]

I assume you are referring to those posters who asserted that Cantwell should play over Clausen because of his experience in the NFL.

I completely agree with you.

I have no clue what you are referring to at this point, but from what I take is that, in football discussion, would agree very little.

[Jpjr]

I have no clue what you are referring to at this point, but from what I take is that, in football discussion, would agree very little.

I think I agree with you that Moore should be the starting QB to keep the momentum from last season. But if that momentum goes away at any point during the first half of the season, all bets are off. If Moore played great through october and the Panthers are well on their way to the playoffs, I think he's the clear starter.

I simply disagree with some here who think that rookies can't succeed in the NFL relative to guys with a few years experience. It's simply been disproven way too many times to take that argument seriously. In that regard I wouldn't look at Clausen as playing a rookie as much as I would playing the backup QB if the starting QB doesn't get the job done. End of day it is definitely Moore's job to lose with plenty of strings attached.

[panthers55]

No credit for Weis? The Panthers are running his offense lol.

Belicheck got the Patriots to win, but he had little to do with Brady's development as quarterback and I stress little. He was a defensive guy his entire career. Weis conversely at Notre Dame proved that he can field a top 10 offense in the nation and still not win any games.

You need to do some research and you would find that we are running a vertical passing game that was designed by Ernhardt-Perkins otherwise known as the "pass to score, run to win" method. It uses play action passing to throw the deep ball and relies on running as well as passing. Belichick was with Weiss and Bill Parcells in New York when they ran the system there. For what is worth new England ran this system to record results in 2007 with Josh Daniels long after Weiss had left. Weiss is not the artichect of the system and knows it no better than Belichick. In fact most knowledgeable folks will tell you that Belichick knows both offense and defense better than most any head coach in the league. That is why they keep going no matter who takes over the system.

Davidson uses a variation of this offense which emphasizes 2 wides, 2 TEs and a running back. So for us our four wides are not all receivers and it allows us to pass or run out of that formation.

But you are wrong on most counts. It isn't Weiss's offense, most of Brady's success is the system developed and continued under Belichick no matter who the offensive coordinator is, and yes Bill is the primary reason for Brady's success long after Weiss was gone.

[panthers55]

You like to make a lot of inaccurate blanket statements about what other people say. Rookie QBs can perform respectably. Not all do. How is that difficult to grasp?

Your entire statement about who the best QB is is irrelevant because the season is still a month away. I can make this factual statement: Nobody knows who the best QB will be at the end of camp. How is that difficult to grasp?

It's your opinion that analyzing stats are the best way to debate how good a player is....I have a different opinion

Congratulations you just did what you accuse me of. Making an inaccurate blanket statement about my posts.

For the record-I said most rookies don't perform that well. That is fact. I said of the five mentioned very early that 3 of the five had poor stats- that is fact. Of the later ones mentioned- 2 never started as rookies- fact.

I can make this prediction- Barring injury Moore will be the starter. I don't care who you think is better, he will start plain and simple.

And if you think that stats aren't the best way to debate than you are basing all your arguments on subjective opinion. Since you aren't an expert in football they mean little to nothing while the facts are simply that- facts not speculations. You can argue about the analysis or what they mean but it doesn't change the facts.

Folks like you don't like stats and facts because it makes them accountable when they make speculative opinions with no basis or fact to support it. Then when proven incorrect, they say stats and facts don't matter. Pretty pathetic really.

[panthers55]

I think I agree with you that Moore should be the starting QB to keep the momentum from last season. But if that momentum goes away at any point during the first half of the season, all bets are off. If Moore played great through october and the Panthers are well on their way to the playoffs, I think he's the clear starter.

I simply disagree with some here who think that rookies can't succeed in the NFL relative to guys with a few years experience. It's simply been disproven way too many times to take that argument seriously. In that regard I wouldn't look at Clausen as playing a rookie as much as I would playing the backup QB if the starting QB doesn't get the job done. End of day it is definitely Moore's job to lose with plenty of strings attached.

No one said rookies can't succeed just that most don't do very well their rookie year. And almost without fail, the guys who sit and groom behind the starter do better right out of the chute.

And we do agree that Moore should be the starter until he proves he can't get the job done.

So why the page after page debates on and on.

[Zod]

actually last season I do believe the Panthers used the "run to punt, pass to pick" offense for most of the season.

[Jpjr]

No one said rookies can't succeed just that most don't do very well their rookie year. And almost without fail, the guys who sit and groom behind the starter do better right out of the shoot.

And we do agree that Moore should be the starter until he proves he can't get the job done.

So why the page after page debates on and on.

Moore can silence the mob and this thread by playing well this weekend. I fully expect him to do so and will enjoy watching these threads die, and that is coming from a Clausen fan.

[panthers55]

actually last season I do believe the Panthers used the "run to punt, pass to pick" offense for most of the season.

That was the Crossman-Delhomme variation.

[panthers55]

Moore can silence the mob and this thread by playing well this weekend. I fully expect him to do so and will enjoy watching these threads die, and that is coming from a Clausen fan.

You are probably right but the reality is that if he sucks it up the rest of the preseason he will still be the starter. Then it will give all of the Clausen fans tons to post about and the controversy will reach a new heights.

[scpanther22]

Althought its not a Weis offense at ND.Our offense is similar as Jimmy as said himself so it should help him get accutomed to the system faster.

But he still needs time.

[TheRealDeal]

To me it looks more similar to the offense Moore ran at OSU...go watch some tape...run run run play action deep ball...run run run play action dig. Not all this shotgun bs

[panthers55]

Althought its not a Weis offense at ND.Our offense is similar as Jimmy as said himself so it should help him get accutomed to the system faster.

But he still needs time.

What is similar is the language. Each system has its own language for each player and each route, gap, assignment etc. It is sometimes hard for guys to make the adjustment from this sytem to a Walsh system or Zampese-Coryell system, whatever.

The difficulty for him wil continue to be the defensive reads and adjustments on offense that are more complicated than the college game. But you are correct probably 50-60% of it was similar to what he ran at ND.