Per Yasinskas: Quarterback Competition?

[HPPantherzfan]

I was responding to someone who claimed Brady and Favre started muliple games as rookies. They had a combined 1 pass completion there rookie seasons.....not a single start. They were using them as examples of QBs who played as rookies.....they never did.

I wasn't giving examples, I was pointing out the examples used were not good.

And if they didn't START they still had play time as a rookie, right? How did they turn out? What about the other? So two out of the rest and all my examples are bad? WoW!

[Jesusthug]

Saying somebody looks good, is different than saying they are better than somebody else.

Clausen did look better than Moore. His awareness was better, his attitude was better, his preparedness was better.

Was it against the #2s? Yes. BUT Clasuen made more of his opportunity than Moore did, at least during the first exhibition game... and the club is impressed. Enough said.

I'm with you! It's funny how people think he couldn't end up being the starter if he plays better than that one guy who looked like poo!

[CRA]

No you're not, cause I never claimed that! Were do some of you get this information from...I simply stated QB's that started as a rookie not started every game, not started 3 games, etc

And did Brett not start 2 games for ATL in 1991? His rookie year?

No, he didn't.

What game did Brady start?

What game did Favre start?

They had a combined 1 pass completion.....they never did anything as rookies but sit. They never started a game.

[carpanfan96]

No you're not, cause I never claimed that! Were do some of you get this information from...I simply stated QB's that started as a rookie not started every game, not started 3 games, etc

And did Brett not start 2 games for ATL in 1991? His rookie year?

No he played in two games and made 4 pass attempts, was picked off twice and sacked once with no completions.

[HPPantherzfan]

No, he didn't.

What game did Brady start?

What game did Favre start?

They had a combined 1 pass completion.....they never did anything as rookies but sit. They never started a game.

Ok man, whatever...they played or maybe their passes come from the bench...but whatever you guys will only like one QB at a time and hate any time of competition, I got it...

Since you point out my faults, which your right, what say you about the others I have labled as STARTED as a ROOKIE and went on do to well, not just PLAYED as a rookie? So out of Top QB's you can list, YOUR TOP FIVE, i would like to see who they are and if they started as ROOKIES...its simple, list YOUR top five I would like to see you list five players that does not include at least one of those players that at some point PLAYED a REAL NFL game as a ROOKIE!!!!

[Jpjr]

One other interesting note about Tom Brady that some may not remember is that he didn't even start his entire senior season at Michigan before he was a rookie in the NFL. They essentially benched him in favor of freshman Drew Henson.

Tom Brady the football player did not become Tom Brady the legend until he worked with Charlie Weis. So for those referencing Tom Brady's rookie season with Jimmy Clausen's, I would focus on the amount of time each spent with Weis and not the amount of time one played over the other.

[Jesusthug]

Tom Brady didn't start any games as a rookie. Completed 1 pass his rookie year. Sat the bench behind a vet.

Peyton Manning went 3-13 with 28 picks as a rookie.

Those 2 are will be argued as top 5 all time QBs when all is said and done.

as for another guy who might be argued top 5....

Brett Favre did not complete a single pass as a rookie.

Your list doesn't seem accurate.

Ben Roethlisberger Went 14-1 didn't he?

Some of the best QB's were ones that started there first year givin that they showed they had real potential.

[CRA]

And if they didn't START they still had play time as a rookie, right? How did they turn out? What about the other? So two out of the rest and all my examples are bad? WoW!

No, I don't think you can classify that as playing time worth anything.

I think there are more example of guys sitting and being productive there first year as a starter (like Brady, Rodgers). Than there are Matt Ryans.

[panthers55]

lol P55 would still like Delhomme to be on the Panthers and starting.

I did want us to keep him last spring since we were paying him already but totally understand why we didn't keep him. I have moved on like the Panthers have. But thanks for thinking about me!!

[panthers55]

Again we have to disagree:

1) Brady actually started a few games as a rookie didn't he? Then given the reigns the following year?

2) You name only a few but if you look at possibly the best QB's of All time they all started as rookies (since you like stats)

a) Dan Marino

Peyton Manning

c) Joe Namath

d) Matt Rayn (yes he is a very very good QB)

e) Johnny Unitas

f) Greg Cook

h) Edit: Since I like Brett Farve so much I may as well add him here as well...started a couple of games as rookie

The list goes on and on, get the idea? Its not about how long you have played in the league its about talent...doesn't matter when you start rookie or not, you either have it or you don't have "it"

No Brady didn't start any games. He appeared in a game and threw one pass. He started 14 games his sophomore season. That you can look up easily.

You are mixing up apples and oranges. We aren't talking about whether quarterbacks eventually do well in the NFL We are talking about whether they do well as rookies. Just like we aren't talking about whether Clausen will ever be a starter or will do well in his career. We are talking about why he should start as a rookie over a more experienced veteran.

Why is it that you keep trying to throw up things against the wall to try and make something stick.

[HPPantherzfan]

Why is it that you keep trying to throw up things against the wall to try and make something stick.

You mean like you? You like stats I was just giving you some...ok so two of them I listed didn't start but they did play the others started and turned out fine...your point was QB's do better when they ride the pine and are "groomed" with my post I'm simply asking you how thats possible when some of the best of all time never had that happen? So I'm not throwing anything but rebuttles to your bogus claims that a QB must sit due to experience.

[panthers55]

One other interesting note about Tom Brady that some may not remember is that he didn't even start his entire senior season at Michigan before he was a rookie in the NFL. They essentially benched him in favor of freshman Drew Henson.

Tom Brady the football player did not become Tom Brady the legend until he worked with Charlie Weis. So for those referencing Tom Brady's rookie season with Jimmy Clausen's, I would focus on the amount of time each spent with Weis and not the amount of time one played over the other.

From everything I have seen over the years I don't beleive it was Weiss. When he left New England they kept on without a hitch. In fact they have replaced offensive coordinators ongoingly and don't miss a beat. After all these years it seems more Belicheck and the system more than any one coach. Cassel came in with no experience with Weiss and looked great. Now Weiss gets a chance with him in KC, lets see what happens.

[Jesusthug]

From everything I have seen over the years I don't beleive it was Weiss. When he left New England they kept on without a hitch. In fact they have replaced offensive coordinators ongoingly and don't miss a beat. After all these years it seems more Belicheck and the system more than any one coach. Cassel came in with no experience with Weiss and looked great. Now Weiss gets a chance with him in KC, lets see what happens.

It seems like more Camcorders than anything else!

[panthers55]

You mean like you? You like stats I was just giving you some...ok so two of them I listed didn't start but they did play the others started and turned out fine...your point was QB's do better when they ride the pine and are "groomed" with my post I'm simply asking you how thats possible when some of the best of all time never had that happen? So I'm not throwing anything but rebuttles to your bogus claims that a QB must sit due to experience.

Again you got nothing. 2 of the five didn't even start which means you don't check your facts, none of them did well as rookies and how they finished their careers is a total red herring and off the subject. For everyone that started early and eventually did fine I can show you 5 that did better by sitting. I can even show you guys like Young who started as a rookie, sucked big time and after sitting the bench behind a veteran like Montana came in later and played great. Why not quit why you are behind. You really have no argument at all. Then on top of it even if you were right, which you aren't, that whole line of posts means nothing anyway. It surely doesn't address why Clausen should start over Moore. Now you are just arguing to win some kind of pissing contest when you have nothing left.