Per Yasinskas: Quarterback Competition?

[top dawg]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with legitimate competition.

Give 'em hell, Jimmy!

[top dawg]

And for the record, I'm not saying Clausen should start...I'm simply saying the best QB on the roster should start regardless of # of years in the league

So simple, but apparently so difficult for Joe Football fan to understand.

[panthers55]

Give me a break! Stats don't tell the whole story...Sanchez led his team to the AFC champ game, that's a respectable rookie season regardless of his stats. Stafford and Freeman both look to be the future of their franchises, both showed positive glimpses on pathetic teams in their rookie years and will be better off this year.

And for the record, I'm not saying Clausen should start...I'm simply saying the best QB on the roster should start regardless of # of years in the league

Stats actually tell exactly what was germaine here. Sanchez was not very good at all. If they didn't have a great running game and the best defense in football they wouldn't have won nearly as many as they did. Even then they finished the regular season 9-7.

And Stafford and Freeman both quarterbacked losing teams and were ranked in the bottom 10 of all quarterbacks in passer rating. Their team sucked and so did they.

The reality is that stats tell you how the player fared not the team. There were some quarterbacks like Matt Schaub for example who played on a 9-7 team who actually played well and had a passer rating of 98.6 and a completion rate of 67%.

When Moore came in we were 4-7 and headed to the same crapper as other losing teams. But he took the team and turned it totally around by his play. So it isn't true that poor teams can't have good quarterbacks because they can. What takes poor teams and makes them better ones is good quarterback play.

So lets put the whole rookie quarterbacks usually do well myth to bed, they actually don't. Which is another reason that Clausen needs to ride the pines.

As for the best quarterback running the team, they are and will. That guy is Matt Moore plain and simple. And the preseason won't be the telling tale. Moore has already proven he is a winner once the regular season rolls around.

Clausen has to prove he belongs in the same sentence with Moore not the other way around. If Clausen wants to start he needs to prove he is head and shoulders better and that isn't going to happen. At this point our team will be lucky to finish 8-8 at best. With Clausen all season we would be lucky to win more than half that.

But I doubt it makes a difference. The backup is always the most popular guy so why would that change.

[HPPantherzfan]

Stats actually tell exactly what was germaine here. Sanchez was not very good at all. If they didn't have a great running game and the best defense in football they wouldn't have won nearly as many as they did. Even then they finished the regular season 9-7.

And Stafford and Freeman both quarterbacked losing teams and were ranked in the bottom 10 of all quarterbacks in passer rating. Their team sucked and so did they.

The reality is that stats tell you how the player fared not the team. There were some quarterbacks like Matt Schaub for example who played on a 9-7 team who actually played well and had a passer rating of 98.6 and a completion rate of 67%.

When Moore came in we were 4-7 and headed to the same crapper as other losing teams. But he took the team and turned it totally around by his play. So it isn't true that poor teams can't have good quarterbacks because they can. What takes poor teams and makes them better ones is good quarterback play.

So lets put the whole rookie quarterbacks usually do well myth to bed, they actually don't. Which is another reason that Clausen needs to ride the pines.

As for the best quarterback running the team, they are and will. That guy is Matt Moore plain and simple. And the preseason won't be the telling tale. Moore has already proven he is a winner once the regular season rolls around.

Clausen has to prove he belongs in the same sentence with Moore not the other way around. If Clausen wants to start he needs to prove he is head and shoulders better and that isn't going to happen. At this point our team will be lucky to finish 8-8 at best. With Clausen all season we would be lucky to win more than half that.

But I doubt it makes a difference. The backup is always the most popular guy so why would that change.

Good Morning Huddle mates!

Well with good QB competetion comes good fan debates as well I see! Keep it up! It's looking like another slow day here at the office

For the record, since I know I look like a Clausen hommer, I just want the best players on the field and don't feel as though someone should be overlooked due to their years of service in the league!

[panthers55]

Good Morning Huddle mates!

Well with good QB competetion comes good fan debates as well I see! Keep it up! It's looking like another slow day here at the office

For the record, since I know I look like a Clausen hommer, I just want the best players on the field and don't feel as though someone should be overlooked due to their years of service in the league![/QUOTE]

Seriously??? Of course you don't overlook a player's experience. It is a key factor in deciding who should play. Should it be the only one? Of course not. But to ignore what a quarterback has done in the regular season, for example, to concentrate only on what happens in a few meaningless preseason games when many starters aren't even playing is ludicrous. Clausen homers (yes, you are one:D) want to ignore 8 games and 200 passes to concentrate on the 8 completions Clausen made against 2nd and third teamers.

Amazing.......

[HPPantherzfan]

Go back and read my thread from last year, I was the first to call for Moore to start because I think he is a very capable QB...Only reason I post for Clausen now is because it seems as though ever since the kid has been drafted there has been a lot of hate around here towards him...why? I don't know...some say his attitude...I welcome a cocky kid with swaggar! This team needs a little swaggar for the first time EVER at QB!

And I don't over look the full 8 games of experience Moore has...I mean really he is a "willy old vet" with those starts amirite?

[Davidson Deac II]

Give me a break! Stats don't tell the whole story...Sanchez led his team to the AFC champ game, that's a respectable rookie season regardless of his stats. Stafford and Freeman both look to be the future of their franchises, both showed positive glimpses on pathetic teams in their rookie years and will be better off this year.

And for the record, I'm not saying Clausen should start...I'm simply saying the best QB on the roster should start regardless of # of years in the league

You mean Sanchez stopped screwing enough to allow the Jets defense and run game a shot at winning.

[Varking]

You mean Sanchez stopped screwing enough to allow the Jets defense and run game a shot at winning.

And showed to be much better in the playoffs. I don't think they win with KC at QB.

[panthers55]

Actually I do seem a pattern here. Last year you didn't want Jake ( not surprising, who did by the end) and wanted the backup Moore. Now you don't want Moore and want the backup Clausen. I see a pattern here, surprised you don't.

And again I know it is fashionable to make fun of Moore's 8 starts but compared to Clausen he surely is the willy old vet.

I don't think most people hate Clausen. They are just tired of all the Clausen nut huggers who dissect every pass or fart he makes as significant while totally ignoring the starter who has shown in 2007 and 2009 that he can lead the team very capably. Most folks have waited for Moore to get his chance to start for some time and now find folks like you wanting to totally hand the job to a unproven rookie with no experience at all. It is Moore's time and Clausen can wait his turn and earn it like Matt did.

But let me move on. This will just get you started again today and we will have another 100 posts about how great Clausen was and how he should start and how experience doesn't matter and on and on.

[Davidson Deac II]

And showed to be much better in the playoffs. I don't think they win with KC at QB.

Sanchez played because the Jets really didn't have much of a choice, so you are probably right about KC. As far as the playoffs, he was good against Cincy, bad against San Diego, and ok against Indy.

And fwiw, Matt Moore was significantly better than Sanchez last year.

[HPPantherzfan]

Umm, ok its probably best we do move on! But for the record I have not ONCE said Clausen should start, infact I have said, repeatedly in this this thread, he should not but read what you like.

[personal_foul]

Stats actually tell exactly what was germaine here. Sanchez was not very good at all. If they didn't have a great running game and the best defense in football they wouldn't have won nearly as many as they did. Even then they finished the regular season 9-7.

And Stafford and Freeman both quarterbacked losing teams and were ranked in the bottom 10 of all quarterbacks in passer rating. Their team sucked and so did they.

The reality is that stats tell you how the player fared not the team. There were some quarterbacks like Matt Schaub for example who played on a 9-7 team who actually played well and had a passer rating of 98.6 and a completion rate of 67%.

When Moore came in we were 4-7 and headed to the same crapper as other losing teams. But he took the team and turned it totally around by his play. So it isn't true that poor teams can't have good quarterbacks because they can. What takes poor teams and makes them better ones is good quarterback play.

So lets put the whole rookie quarterbacks usually do well myth to bed, they actually don't. Which is another reason that Clausen needs to ride the pines.

As for the best quarterback running the team, they are and will. That guy is Matt Moore plain and simple. And the preseason won't be the telling tale. Moore has already proven he is a winner once the regular season rolls around.

Clausen has to prove he belongs in the same sentence with Moore not the other way around. If Clausen wants to start he needs to prove he is head and shoulders better and that isn't going to happen. At this point our team will be lucky to finish 8-8 at best. With Clausen all season we would be lucky to win more than half that.

But I doubt it makes a difference. The backup is always the most popular guy so why would that change.

1. I never said rookie QBs normally do well, so no need to put that myth to bed. I'm simply saying there's no data that shows "grooming" a player will lead to a better career. Some are busts, some aren't. Best players play. Grooming a QB is just another way of saying he's not the best on the team at that point.

2. We don't know who the best QB is yet. Fall camp and preseason should most definitely count for evaluations, but obviously Moore's game experience should as well...and with more weight. If Clausen is clearly outperforming Moore at the end of camp, then he should start. If it's close, then I'm sure Moore's resume will be the deciding factor, as it probably should be.

3. Stats, stats, stats. If you evaluate simply on stats...I don't know what to say. I guess we'll never agree here.

Here's to a good season with a young QB, whoever it may be!

[Carl Spackler]

1. I never said rookie QBs normally do well, so no need to put that myth to bed. I'm simply saying there's no data that shows "grooming" a player will lead to a better career. Some are busts, some aren't. Best players play. Grooming a QB is just another way of saying he's not the best on the team at that point.

2. We don't know who the best QB is yet. Fall camp and preseason should most definitely count for evaluations, but obviously Moore's game experience should as well...and with more weight. If Clausen is clearly outperforming Moore at the end of camp, then he should start. If it's close, then I'm sure Moore's resume will be the deciding factor, as it probably should be.

3. Stats, stats, stats. If you evaluate simply on stats...I don't know what to say. I guess we'll never agree here.

Here's to a good season with a young QB, whoever it may be!

HPPantherzfan = personal_foul??

[panthers55]

1. I never said rookie QBs normally do well, so no need to put that myth to bed. I'm simply saying there's no data that shows "grooming" a player will lead to a better career. Some are busts, some aren't. Best players play. Grooming a QB is just another way of saying he's not the best on the team at that point.

2. We don't know who the best QB is yet. Fall camp and preseason should most definitely count for evaluations, but obviously Moore's game experience should as well...and with more weight. If Clausen is clearly outperforming Moore at the end of camp, then he should start. If it's close, then I'm sure Moore's resume will be the deciding factor, as it probably should be.

3. Stats, stats, stats. If you evaluate simply on stats...I don't know what to say. I guess we'll never agree here.

Here's to a good season with a young QB, whoever it may be!

1.Yes you were saying that rookies do respectable which the facts show was wrong for 3 of the 5 rookies you noted. And if you look at Rodgers, Brady and Romo you will see that in fact grooming rookies does make them better when they actually start.

2. We do know who the best quarterback is, you just don't want to see what the team and players already know. And if Moore's game experience counts more than preseason than it shouldn't matter how they do in preseason. It is really 3 meaningless games versus 8 regular season games. (the fourth game is meaningless for both of them). Clausen playing better than Moore still wouldn't matter that much in the preseason although I doubt it happens.

3. Stats make a hell of lot more sense than all of our observations and subjective opinions. Stats are facts, plain and simple. The analysis of the facts can be skewed but the numbers remain the same. Most people who use your argument that stats don't matter do so after they have been proven wrong and like you don't know what else to say.