Charlotte Media Wants Clausen To Fail

[cdandi1]

Heres an article in the Charlotte Observer. id say they don't hate him at all. I think they just want to be different than the national media. Overcompensating on Moore's part as to not be lumped in with the national hype of clausen.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/08/10/1614676/rookie-qb-clausen-sees-the-signals.html

[panthers55]

I can't want Clausen to start and still be a Panthers fan? I want him to start, but I want him to earn it. I truly believe that he gives them a better chance to win in the long haul.

I think it is obvious I am not sold on Moore. I think it is a joke to call him proven for the time being as well. He has 8 career starts, that is half a season. He has less then 2000 career yards, 4 fumbles, 11 career touchdown passes to 7 interceptions.

His completion percentage last season sandwiches him between Kyle Orton and David Garrard. Middle of the pack. His career completion percentage would have put him at 22 of 32 for last season. I think we may need to define proven better because its just 8 starts total, and they didn't ask him to really take over games where defenses were game planning for him. The other teams will continue to plan for the running attack.

Is "proven" now just game managing for half of a season? Is Vince Young proven in this league? Is the Sanchize proven? Brady Quinn? If Clausen gets 8 starts over the span of the next three years like Moore has, will that make Clausen proven?

Moore is still mostly an unknown. They asked him to fill in and manage some games last season at the end of the year and he did a nice job but do we really know he will perform like that again this upcoming season now that defenses will have to plan to stop him as well? We shall see.

Good job skewing the facts to fit your argument. Lets try the flip side. You say that Moore is not proven because he has only won 3/4 of his starts. You point out his completion percentage without noting that his quarterback rating of 98.5 puts him 8th on the list of top quarterbacks last year right below Matt Schaub. You say he is largely unproven and then go on to say you support Clausen who hasn't even taken a snap in the NFL. Talk about convoluted logic.

By criticizing Moore you don't build up Clausen, you just make a stronger point that Moore deserves the right to start this year. If 6 wins out of 8 starts isn't proven then surely a 2nd round rookie with absolutely no experience is less than that.

No one is saying that wanting Clausen to play makes you not a Panther fan. It just means that you are more a fan of a player than the team's success. Because nothing at all can convince any reasonable fan that Clausen will be more successful than Moore until he actually does something.

[cdandi1]

this thread was doomed from the start...can't we all just get along 8)

[The Saltman]

i have to take a dump.

I would like to take a dump on this thread.

[panthers55]

This is the absolute best example of a double standard.

In 2009, if you liked Jake, who was our PROVEN STARTING QB, who took us to a Super Bowl, you weren't a Panthers fan. You were a Jake homer. If you liked him you were subjected to ridicule on here, unless you really liked Matt Moore, the guy who won 2 of 3 career games and was completely unproven.

In 2010, if you DON'T like Moore, who is still largely unproven, you aren't a Panthers fan. You HAVE to support the starting QB, but you didn't have to with Jake. Now if you like Clausen, you're not a Panthers fan. This is ridiculous, making fun of people because they want Clausen to succeed. I like Moore and Clausen.

But there are too many BMJS (Blind Moore Jock Sniffers) on here. Just wait until he has a bad game, it'll be the O-Line's fault, or Fox's fault. If Clausen throws an incompletion, it'll be all his fault. Seriously just be fair. Is it that hard?

So if you like Moore you are a BMJS but if you like Clausen then you are being fair???

The fact is that Moore is the only proven thing we have at quarterback and is the starter. As such Panthers fans need to support their team and leader whoever that is.

What is funny is that you say that people on here who criticized Jake supporters as homers and BDJSs were wrong and then turn right around and do the same thing to Moore supporters. What a hypocritical stance.

If you want others to be fair, try doing it yourself. People did need to support Jake beause he was the starter. Now people need to support Moore for the same reason. You can still root for him without being sold on his ability. That will be demonstrated in time, but to criticize him or his supporters doesn't make you a loyal panthers fan as your avatar proclaims.

[cdandi1]

I would like to take a dump on this thread.

be my guest. tp is over there and scented candles are under the sink.

[panthers55]

Recent history tells us different. Stafford has a nice shot at being good for a long time. Ryan is going to be just fine. Sanchize helped his team get deep into the playoffs last season and he couldn't have got any worse. Neither of the Mannings or Roethlisberger seem to be struggling.

A dumb football fan is a closed minded fan, who just assumes that every situation is the same for a rookie quarterback. Its not. They say the same thing for college football. Freshman QBs should redshirt and not play their first year. Clausen didn't redshirt, went on to earn the starting job, and played just fine. Not all people are the same.

This team has plenty of weapons to help a rookie QB out. You seem like the type of guy who a few years ago claimed that a wildcat formation could never work in the NFL, then had to open your mind to the fact that when deployed correctly it can be a dangerous formation.

Try this on for size. First of all Moore had a better passer rating last year than Sanchez, Stafford or Ryan and was within 2 quarterback rating points of Peyton Manning and Rothlisburger. So your whole logic about starting a rookie is totally lame. You don't take a chance on a rookie when you have a guy already on the roster who has demonstrated he is much better than any rookie quarterback last year and was within 2 quarterback rating points of a quarterback who is generally acknowledged as one of the best in the game.

If the team has weapons to help out a rookie then how much better will they be with a quarterback with expereince who has shown he can beat playoff caliber teams.

The only one being closeminded is you. Clausen will get his chance to play and hopefully he will be ready. But anyone who actually wants to take a chance on a rookie when they have a much better option who is universally praised by players and coaches is bordering on ridiculous.

[Pox 08]

I've no feelings either way toward Moore and Clausen or any other qb on the roster until one of them can step up and be the franchise qb we've been wanting since 1995.

I do find it a little funny though that some people believe all the mud the media splashed all over Clausen. Most sports media have also spent the last year telling all of us that Moore is inferior simply because he was undrafted.

Seriously, I have a friend that hates Clausen with a passion because of what the media says about him. She speaks like it's 100% fact, then in the same breath ignores what the media has said about Moore over the last 10 or so months. Surely Moore is inferior because he was undrafted, right? Media says so, it must be true?

[Varking]

Try this on for size. First of all Moore had a better passer rating last year than Sanchez, Stafford or Ryan and was within 2 quarterback rating points of Peyton Manning and Rothlisburger. So your whole logic about starting a rookie is totally lame. You don't take a chance on a rookie when you have a guy already on the roster who has demonstrated he is much better than any rookie quarterback last year and was within 2 quarterback rating points of a quarterback who is generally acknowledged as one of the best in the game.

If the team has weapons to help out a rookie then how much better will they be with a quarterback with expereince who has shown he can beat playoff caliber teams.

The only one being closeminded is you. Clausen will get his chance to play and hopefully he will be ready. But anyone who actually wants to take a chance on a rookie when they have a much better option who is universally praised by players and coaches is bordering on ridiculous.

I said I wanted Clausen too win the job. Not have it handed to him. I am one of the people open to seeing a rookie start. How is that close minded? Either you had nothing to say and just wanted to attack me, or you have no clue what close minded means.

[smash_n_dash]

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[panthers55]

I said I wanted Clausen too win the job. Not have it handed to him. I am one of the people open to seeing a rookie start. How is that close minded? Either you had nothing to say and just wanted to attack me, or you have no clue what close minded means.

The only way Clausen will get the job is if it is handed to him. Whywouldn't you want Moore to win the job, he has the experience and everyone wants to lead the team, players and coaches alike. The fact you ignore that to pander for your favorite player is a classic example of being close minded to the obvious fact that all accounts suggest that Moore will be the starter so we all should wish him the best.

[panthers55]

I've no feelings either way toward Moore and Clausen or any other qb on the roster until one of them can step up and be the franchise qb we've been wanting since 1995.

I do find it a little funny though that some people believe all the mud the media splashed all over Clausen. Most sports media have also spent the last year telling all of us that Moore is inferior simply because he was undrafted.

Seriously, I have a friend that hates Clausen with a passion because of what the media says about him. She speaks like it's 100% fact, then in the same breath ignores what the media has said about Moore over the last 10 or so months. Surely Moore is inferior because he was undrafted, right? Media says so, it must be true?

That really is the point. Whoever starts needs to play well and lead the offense and score points. At this point that guy is Moore. If he doesn't play well and Clausen looks phenomenal, then things might change. But until that happens Moore is the guy and folks should support him and hope he is as good as the team and coaches think he is at this point. Clausen is signed for 4 years, he willget plenty of chances to show what he can do. Only a Clausen fan would want a rookie with no experience to start when you have a much better option at your disposal.

[Pox 08]

That really is the point. Whoever starts needs to play well and lead the offense and score points. At this point that guy is Moore. If he doesn't play well and Clausen looks phenomenal, then things might change. But until that happens Moore is the guy and folks should support him and hope he is as good as the team and coaches think he is at this point. Clausen is signed for 4 years, he willget plenty of chances to show what he can do. Only a Clausen fan would want a rookie with no experience to start when you have a much better option at your disposal.

Oh yeah, I agree. Moore has more than earned a chance to start. He has also earned the chance to have a bad game or two without people screaming for his head.

We could have a rookie Peyton Manning (exaggeration) on the bench, the guy with the hot hand , however limited in experience (Moore) should still start.

[Carl Spackler]

That really is the point. Whoever starts needs to play well and lead the offense and score points. At this point that guy is Moore. If he doesn't play well and Clausen looks phenomenal, then things might change. But until that happens Moore is the guy and folks should support him and hope he is as good as the team and coaches think he is at this point. Clausen is signed for 4 years, he willget plenty of chances to show what he can do. Only a Clausen fan would want a rookie with no experience to start when you have a much better option at your disposal.

Believe it or not, it's OK to be a Clausen fan and a Panthers fan. Unlike last year when if you were a Jake fan you hated the Panthers. Seriously, I'm excited about seeing what Matty does. I'm not excited about the excuses for every mistake he makes being the coaches' fault, the line, or the receivers.