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Post Peppers Ideas (If its a real possibilty)

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so because rivera didn't change the defense when he was promoted to d coordinator mid season that means....what?

was more we don't need to look at a guy that runs just a 4-3. if the guy is worth a damn (as i believe ron is), the base scheme he came from is irrelevant.

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was more we don't need to look at a guy that runs just a 4-3. if the guy is worth a damn (as i believe ron is), the base scheme he came from is irrelevant.

if you're suggesting that fox could lead the transition, what makes you think he could assemble the talent?

hell, he can't even assemble the talent for the defense he's running now!

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if you're suggesting that fox could lead the transition, what makes you think he could assemble the talent?

hell, he can't even assemble the talent for the defense he's running now!

not what i was saying or suggesting. if we replace the turd, the new DC candidates former base scheme should be irrelevant. if thats a current dc, or positional coach, the base scheme they came from is irrelevant.

jim johnson, rex ryan, gregg williams, steve spagnuolo, and dick lebeau all imo succeed with a talented 4-3 group of guys, 3-4 or whatever. they are creative enough to do it.

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so because rivera didn't change the defense when he was promoted to d coordinator mid season that means....what?

yeah i remember when tomlin came in to pittsburgh and completely remade their defense, and also brought a defensive coordinator with him and redid the system.

oh wait

for a 4-3 only? John Abraham, Usi Umenyiora, Jared Allen, Mario Williams, Aaron Kampman.

if you open it up to 3-4 OLBs that could probably convert, then you add Ware, Suggs, and Merriman

I'll give you Mario because of his age and upside but the others are stupid...If you are looking for a guy that is purely going to get sacks then yeah go for the OLB and the John Abrahams of the world. But if you are looking for the most well rounded DE in the league then its Peppers hands down. Watch him next year when he goes and plays for DC that knows how to coach and he will be by far the best in the league.

The point about Tomlin was to reinforce the idea that a coach adopting a new system instead of being stubborn can work. Tomlin realized that his system was not a fit for Pitt and Fox should realize that his version of the 4-3 doesn't work in Carolina.

Again, just because I am talking about a 3-4 does not mean that is what we SHOULD do...the point I am making is that if we let a player the caliber of Peppers go then we would feel the effects of a terrible 4-3 just as long as we would feel the effects of a growing 3-4. I'm not a fan that buys into the fact that players can't adapt to new schemes. If TD wanted to play OLB in a 3-4 then he could...if Beason wanted to play a MLB in a 3-4 he could (there are MLBs that chase rather than take on the blocks). Similarly Maake could play the NT if he wanted too...The Ray Lewis comments are BS until I see the article on this site because I have already found one that supports Kemo as a NT.

And you need to chill out a little bit man you are going to have a freakin coronary if you take internet jabber that seriously...I think that people are just throwing out ideas if for nothing else because we are bored and depressed about the end of the season.

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