P-55 Fan Fest analysis

[Cyberjag]

I'm still trying to find where I said I was more credible then Darin Gantt....:confused:

Ok, ok, I'm sorry. I admit it--you're NOT more credible than Gantt and you never said you were. Gantt is far better informed than you, and you never suggested otherwise.

I'm really sorry I ever even thought you might be thinking that you were on his level. Really, I am. Now we all know that you know he's head and shoulders above you, and I'm cool with that.

[Zod]

As an FYI, I get all my insider info from the topcats. I find their locker room to be much more accommodating.

[C47]

Ok, ok, I'm sorry. I admit it--you're NOT more credible than Gantt and you never said you were. Gantt is far better informed than you, and you never suggested otherwise.

I'm really sorry I ever even thought you might be thinking that you were on his level. Really, I am. Now we all know that you know he's head and shoulders above you, and I'm cool with that.

Sounds good....

[C47]

As an FYI, I get all my insider info from the topcats. I find their locker room to be much more accommodating.

Now that's inside info....

[panthers55]

If you would like me to post my thoughts on the scrimmage along with some pictures I would be glad to sometime today....

That's history now. What are your thoughts on Thursday night. What will we see,

[C47]

That's history now. What are your thoughts on Thursday night. What will we see,

If I had to guess, depending on who plays and who doesn't I expect our offense to look sluggish against a very physical Ravens defense. I expect the QB's to have trouble reading where the pressure is coming from. As for the WR's I'm not expecting much due to the QB's struggles. There will be a nice play here and there but as a whole not much will be able to be taken from the passing game on Thurs. We may see more three and even four WR looks just to evaluate the talent at the position better. The running game will be unimpressive unless we get some guys back on the line. As for defense, I expect that by Friday morning people here will be very optimistic by what they see. Our defensive line will get a good amount of pressure on the Ravens QB's with Hardy, Brown and Tank being standouts (you can add Norwood to this list if he plays primarily on the defensive line, I'm under the impression he will play mostly LB). The LB's will swarm to the ball, Norwood will be a standout here. Munnerlyn will look very impressive causing some to overreact and say he should start instead of Marshall, and Panthers fans will finally get to see what it's like to have two safeties that can cover on the field at the same time. As for special teams, they still will leave a lot to be desired, Armanti will look very shaky at PR (because he is still learning how to be a return man). Kasay will be his normal clutch self....

As for standouts at each position....

QB: Clausen (due to playing the Ravens third team and being on the field the longest)

RB: Sutton( if he plays), if not then Vaughn

WR:Jarrett or LaFell

TE: Barnidge

DL: Hardy

LB: Norwood/Anderson

DB: Munnerlyn

[panthers55]

If I had to guess, depending on who plays and who doesn't I expect our offense to look sluggish against a very physical Ravens defense. I expect the QB's to have trouble reading where the pressure is coming from. As for the WR's I'm not expecting much due to the QB's struggles. There will be a nice play here and there but as a whole not much will be able to be taken from the passing game on Thurs. We may see more three and even four WR looks just to evaluate the talent at the position better. The running game will be unimpressive unless we get some guys back on the line. As for defense, I expect that by Friday morning people here will be very optimistic by what they see. Our defensive line will get a good amount of pressure on the Ravens QB's with Hardy, Brown and Tank being standouts (you can add Norwood to this list if he plays primarily on the defensive line, I'm under the impression he will play mostly LB). The LB's will swarm to the ball, Norwood will be a standout here. Munnerlyn will look very impressive causing some to overreact and say he should start instead of Marshall, and Panthers fans will finally get to see what it's like to have two safeties that can cover on the field at the same time. As for special teams, they still will leave a lot to be desired, Armanti will look very shaky at PR (because he is still learning how to be a return man). Kasay will be his normal clutch self....

As for standouts at each position....

QB: Clausen (due to playing the Ravens third team and being on the field the longest)

RB: Sutton( if he plays), if not then Vaughn

WR:Jarrett or LaFell

TE: Barnidge

DL: Hardy

LB: Norwood/Anderson

DB: Munnerlyn

There you go. Predictable but well thought out. And since I asked for a prediction, on target. You get more respect from this kind of post than one proclaiming yourself as a writer.

Will it play out like you suggest. If the first team plays for a quarter or less, we should see plenty of the backups. Should be an opportunity to see who might make the team.

[C47]

There you go. Predictable but well thought out. And since I asked for a prediction, on target. You get more respect from this kind of post than one proclaiming yourself as a writer.

Will it play out like you suggest. If the first team plays for a quarter or less, we should see plenty of the backups. Should be an opportunity to see who might make the team.

I'm assuming the ones will play one or two series tops except for the WR's. I'm expecting Moore and Jarrett to start and be in the rotation into the second quarter so the coaches can evaluate accordingly. Thus the only position I expect a starter to standout at is WR....

As for a prediction, Ravens 24-14....

[Woodie]

Gantt has his observations in the Observer this morning. Funny how great minds think alike, His analysis is very similar to mine.

Lol, using Gantt as your backup. I like Gantt and really don't have a problem with him, but his football knowledge is probably no more than that of some members here who have actually played the game. So when he gives his opinion, IMO, it holds about as much weight as any poster…which is that it’s interesting, but far from the gospel. Now if he was relaying what he had been told behind the scenes, then that’s a different story, but that’s not what he was doing.

Excerpts:

Tank Tyler, Tyler Brayton and Louis Leonard all showed some burst. Johnson moved his man and Norwood might have gotten a sack if they were live.

Jimmy Clausen's pass to Vaughan was negated by a holding penalty. The most competent passing of the day was by Hunter Cantwell. He hit passes to two tight ends, King and Barnidge. He did fumble as well.

[panthers55]

This is extremely subjective since none of the QB’s were particularly exceptional. Depending on who you ask you’ll get many different answers as to who was the best QB. I have stayed away from saying one was better then the others because, quite frankly, it’s ridiculous. None did anything to stand out. Each of them did some good things, and each made mistakes. But the bottom line is that none of them did enough, good or bad, to make any difference.

Sorry, but you’re wrong. I know we won’t agree, but it’s the truth. No, Clausen did not check down in the drills, perhaps you were looking at the play Cantwell checked down for the short dump-off for about two yards and attributed that to Clausen. And I don’t get how you can have any idea whether Clausen has the confidence to throw downfield or not. You might not have noticed, but the OL gave the QB’s very little time, and even then, the receivers were not getting open downfield (with the exception of the Moore drop). So either you saw only what you wanted or expected to see, or you got confused with which QB was in at the time.

Clausen and Cantwell both played with the 2nd and 3rd strings, but in both the drills and the scrimmage, Clausen was higher than Cantwell in his positioning. Whether that is the norm or just how the rotation fell, I can’t say for certain. I think you read too much into Cantwell starting the scrimmage. If you followed the rotation, Clausen came in next, then Moore. Seemingly reverse order of positioning (3,2,1) since it would make little sense to have a rotation of 2,3,1…but since nobody associated with the team has said anything, we’ll know more on Thursday. Either way, it really doesn’t matter at this point.

Sure, the bad passes were not fine, that’s why I qualified my point. This was a scrimmage, so it’s ok to not look at his performance in the totality, but break it down. That doesn’t mean that you ignore what went wrong, but just identify the components of his performance…it leads to better understanding. To be clear, as a whole, I agree that his performance was not good, but other than the big mistakes, he had the same issues as Cantwell and Clausen. And no, Cantwell wasn’t particularly impressive either. Unless you want to ignore the fumble and bad decision to throw to a well covered receiver, only to have the ball hit the defender’s calf (which could have easily been intercepted).

Now this I can agree with, but I’ll expand it to include all of the QB’s. They each had issues with pressure and the inability of the receivers to get open. Also, none of them took any risks, and none made any particularly difficult throws (with the exception of the Clausen to Gettis, and Moore to Moore throws, which were each perfectly thrown).

In truth, it's ludicrous to read too much into this glorified practice, and really not worth argueing. And since there is no tape to review, it just comes down to "he said, he said." So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Where to start. Gantt knows quite a bit, based on hanging out with the players and coaches every practice. Does he know all the Xs and Os, no that is obvious, but he doesn't try to be an expert breaking down the offense and defense. He reports of who looked good, who didn't, who got hurt and how serious, etc. He knows what they are planning and what they are thinking to the extent that they share with any reporter. He is not a football expert but who said he was. But for example when he said that Cantwell looked the best on Saturday, he was right and it obvious even to someone like me. I wouldn't count on Gantt for in-depth game analysis or strategy but for what he provides it is defintely given with an insider perspective and that is what he is good for.

And your analysis is quite flawed. Not based on what you present with is your own subjective opinion using very selective plays but to assume that what you reported was that objective or definitive. There weren't enough stats to make any objective reports and yet you argue using a play or drill as if it was that significant while admitting all along that no one should put anything into this scrimmage.

First of all you say the scrimmage isn't a big deal but you go on and on for paragraphs nitpicking and arguing every point he or I made. If it isn't a big deal then why are you dissecting every issue unless you like to argue or think that you must be doing it to win some pissing contest since the scrimmage obviously isn't by your own admission.

Didn't see how your points were new or enlightening, just a rehash of the same thing you already said in half the number of words, pages ago.

And you finish saying it isn't worth arguing about, after arguing for paragraphs. Now you will likely go on for pages breaking each sentence of paragraph into another diatribe.

We do agree about one thing. It isn't worth arguing and when Cantwell plays before Clausen I won't be nearly as surprised as you will be apparently. Lets let it go at that. I don't mind being right one more time.

[Snake]

Not that I'm a professional yet' date=' but I am a freelance sports writer for the Observer, and I've been in the sports journalism field for awhile now....[/quote']

[C47]

Look above you tried to put down p55 by making up stuff as you went along. You even said you have been in the sports journalism field for awhile. Now Im sorry but your just an intern right now. Your not a journalist yet and should not clam to be. Still the proof is in the pudding. You want us to believe you so you can feel privileged pony up and let us see your work. If you have been in journalism for a while you should have at least some old stuff you could share with us. All we are asking for is proof. Nothing different then you would do as a writer....

I gave this up a long time ago, I really couldn't care less if you people believe me or not, nor am I trying to get some kind of recognition so I feel privileged....

[Snake]

I gave this up a long time ago' date=' I really couldn't care less if you people believe me or not, nor am I trying to get some kind of recognition so I feel privileged....[/quote']

We both know that was not the case when you started.

Rule #1 on the Huddle. If you say something then back it up. If not you will get exposed.

I would also like to say that we dont bash people out of pure blindness. JOAT was and still is a respected member here and he use to work as a sports writer if my memory serves me right. He had insider info on a lot of things and would share what he could. Not hide behind some BS like you did. As before the proof is in the pudding.

[C47]

We both know that was not the case when you started.

Rule #1 on the Huddle. If you say something then back it up. If not you will get exposed.

I would also like to say that we dont bash people out of pure blindness. JOAT was and still is a respected member here and he use to work as a sports writer if my memory serves me right. He had insider info on a lot of things and would share what he could. Not hide behind some BS like you did. As before the proof is in the pudding.

And as I said before I really could care less if you people believe me or not. As for what what the case was when I started, I'm glad you know what my intentions were better then myself....like I said, I'm done with this, it's time to move along. If you feel you have exposed me as a phony or a troll then that's fine I really couldn't give a poo....