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Schultz: Panthers expected to sign S Tre'von Moehrig to 3-year/$51m deal


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Just now, AceMan said:
RUN DEFENSE GRADE
87.5
 
 
AVG
7th/170 Ss
COVERAGE GRADE
54.4
 
 
AVG
122nd/170 Ss

I'll take it

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120 other safeteys were better in coverage owe eeeh man and our defense is two high not stack the box yea don't see the fit at all

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7 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Google how the safety position works in a 2-high shell defense. 
Google how important the safety position is in a Vic Fangio (Evero) type defense.

Then 90% of the people in this thread can come back and edit their thoughts.

After what we witnessed last season defensively I think you're going to have a very tough time selling people on this because the body of work isn’t lining up with the hype.

At this point the onus is on Evero to prove his viability.

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3 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Except this guy is a box safety who struggles in coverage and outside the box 📦 

Apparently they tried him at FS and he wasn't as good.  He is a SS and should be perfect for Evero.  Still need a FS.  

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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We've fielded some pretty trash safeties, but man... THAT guy...

Haruki and his 2 inch..... vertical god I'll never get that play out of my mind, as awful as he was Kuechly being 20 yards further down the field and missing the deflection by his finger tip hurt.

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Just now, ForJimmy said:

Apparently they tried him at FS and he wasn't as good.  He is a SS and should be perfect for Evero.  Still need a FS.  

The problem with that is in Everos defense there aren't a true FS and SS...

They both play high coverage 

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8 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

Not sure how I feel about it yet. The endless optimists in this thread love it, and the endless pessimists hate it, so nothing to sway me yet.

I'm indifferent to it. I see it as a necessary expense that they are paying a high price for due to past mismanagement and decades of terrible drafting. 

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3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm indifferent to it. I see it as a necessary expense that they are paying a high price for due to past mismanagement and decades of terrible drafting. 

I reacted in much the same way when Rob Hunt was paid a lot of cash to come here last year. Then he made the Pro Bowl. Nearly every deal by every team today has been an overpay of some sort. Either you spend money from a rising cap to get better players, or you don't.

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3 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

I reacted in much the same way when Rob Hunt was paid a lot of cash to come here last year. Then he made the Pro Bowl. Nearly every deal by every team today has been an overpay of some sort. Either you spend money from a rising cap to get better players, or you don't.

You will pay a premium for young promising FA players. It's the nature of the business. You better be able to draft well or you will have to pay through the nose to overcome that.

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32 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

The problem with that is in Everos defense there aren't a true FS and SS...

They both play high coverage 

You don't think Evero is having input in a day 1 defensive FA costing this much?  He uses safeties to pressure more than most DCs.  He also frequently rotates one down into underneath coverage while keeping one up high.  For example Woods was our FS last year hence was he was always the one we saw getting burnt deep.  Richardson when he played was our SS cleaning up the underneath passes and helping in run defense.  We basically upgraded him by a large margin.  Still need a Woods replacement though...

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Moehrig has five interceptions and 18 passes defensed over the past two seasons, but he has also shown considerable growth when coming forward to make plays, with three sacks and five quarterback hits over the span. Since 2023, Moehrig is a top-15 safety in interceptions, forced incompletion rate, tackles for loss or no gain and defensive stops.

source: PFF

I did like Holland more because of his pass coverage but Moehrig is not a consolation prize.  In 21 he was in more of cover 3 type scheme and then the last 3 years he's been a better fit and played much better in Patrick Graham's defense which is more multiple.

Fangio/Evero run a 2 high safety shell that rotates the safeties in all kinds of confusing ways.  A lot of match coverage (zone that turns into man based on what routes the other team runs) and disguised coverage.  So, he'll play all over the field, cover deep, man up the slot, play the run, etc.  

He's 25 and gotten better every year and I expect he'll be even better in Evero's system.  He's now the 5th highest paid safety by yearly average but the total value is much less than almost everyone in the top 10.  He is not overpaid but it's not a given he'll be worth the contract.  He'll have to continue to excel and play like he did at the end of last year where from Weeks 16 to 18, Moehrig’s 83.3 overall grade ranked sixth among safeties.

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2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

You don't think Evero is having input in a day 1 defensive FA costing this much?  He uses safeties to pressure more than most DCs.  He also frequently rotates one down into underneath coverage while keeping one up high.  For example Woods was our FS last year hence was he was always the one we saw getting burnt deep.  Richardson when he played was our SS cleaning up the underneath passes and helping in run defense.  We basically upgraded him by a large margin.  Still need a Woods replacement though...

Evero owned the 32nd ranked D last year and is sitting in the first to go chair for when this team needs to sacrifice someone.   I'm sure he has input.  I would wager he doesn't have a lot of influence present day. 

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