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Armanti Edwards....

Zod

By Zod,
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panthers55 Grand Master

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I like AE as a player, and as a Panther.

I do not like the FO giving away a 2nd next year for a project this year. Most likely that pick will be somewhere between the 40th, and the 48th pick next season. In those slots you draft a player that can contribute right away.....or at least try to.

Who says he won't contribute. Talk about premature. Lets at least wait until the regular season starts to discuss what he will contribute this year. Less than a month ago evryone was touting him as the best guy out there at WR. Now the pads go on and a week later he is a waste of a pick. Not all projects are long term, some are much shorter.

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RealisticFan Newbie

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Of course he is a project just like a lot of players are in the NFL. The Golden Calf of Bristol is a project and was a first rounder. Fortunately Hurney can see beyond the immediate and project down the road.

How many first round defensive linemen have even good seasons their first year? How many receivers come in and produce right away? How many quarterbacks sit the bench even as a first or second rounder until they gain the experience needed to compete at this level.

If you think that most first and second rounders come in and either play or contribute right away at skill positions such as wide receiver, quarterback, or defensive line for example, then you need to change your name to highly unrealistic fan.

Most credible scouts says that is takes 3 years to evaluate a draft or a player for a reason. Snap jusgements like you just made are not only unrealistic, they are ridiculous 4 or 5 practices into training camp.

I said project player not young players. By project I mean that he is learning to do something new.

Thomas Davis was a project, but was drafted in the first round. Now some may say that he was successful and it is very true, but it is my opinion that it is easier to make a position transition on the defensive side of the ball versus the offensive. Defensive is partially instinctual and it helps to adjust, still TD took three years before he was playing at a high level.

Since I am using TD as an example I will also add that he played at the highest level of college competition and not the B league. So, compound Armanti's transition with a significant change in skill level of his peers is going to make this even harder.

Finally I am only commenting on ZOD's comment from Armanti's biggest proponent of all Darin Gantt. So, do not hate on me for giving my opinion, it is like yours, an opinion. Teams swing and miss sometimes and I hope that this will not be one of them. Armanti has talent,and that is undeniable. My argument simply was that for next years second round pick, was there someone else that could have came in and had a bigger impact?

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CRA Grand Master

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I hope the Panthers weren't banking on drafting him to be a punt return man or nothing.

I'd like to see an early mix of Edwards/Moore w/ the first string in 3 WR sets. Every year it is the same thing w/ the return game. Carolina just needs to bring in a vet and give them the job. Then when someone in house is finally ready they can have the job.

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CAVSS Newbie

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OMG OMG!! What kind of idiot can't learn to play two new positions and be able to play them at the highest level in 5 days. I mean seriously five whole days. That like.....almost a week. We wasted a draft pick on him OMG OMG OMG!!

Whatever happens with AE, bust or not, we won't know in 5 days. Maybe even not in, brace yourself................6 WHOLE days. AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!! Scary I know. Lol

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pantherclaw Grand Master

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I am not being trite here, but I will be honest.

Armanti is a project and maybe good, or maybe not. I am of the belief that you do NOT draft project players in the second round. The second round should be for folks that you feel that could come in a contribute immediately or at worst in a backup role to another established player.

Would he have been available in the fourth or fifth round? Who knows? I do know that there are folks like Gilyard that were WR's and PR's in college and played decent. So, he would not have been a project, and would have been less hands on to coach him up so to play a position that he had not played in high school then now at the NFL level of play.

I do not dislike Armanti, or I deny that he has ability. I just think that the Panthers miscalculated his value in the draft.

so you also don't believe in drafting qbs higher than the 4th round. As any qb is going to be a project. Davis was also a first round pick, and converted to lb.

The kid has a tone of talent, which is why the panthers drafted him. Whether you agree with or not, isn't going to change the fact. Returning punts isn't something that is easy to get down in a weeks time, plus some mini camps. He eventually get it down, and will get onto the field.

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Sloth Apprentice

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Playing the "shoulda waited and grabbed him later" game doesn't work, because you never know how high teams rate certain players. Everyone gets so caught up in mocks (me too) that they get almost insulted when a team busts that all to poo by targeting players they like as opposed to common-knowledge value.

Hell, look at Alualu and Clausen. The day before the draft, Alualu was a surefire late-first to early-second rounder and Jimmy was a mid first.

Anyways, I'm willing to bet that IF we grabbed Edwards early, it wasn't by more than a half a round. If we thought he would have been there in the fourth.. we'd probably have grabbed him there at lesser cost.

Grabbing him in the fifth is a fantasy.

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