Fox is not a team player-Fox and/or Delhomme need to go.

[Fox007]

The defense has been bad all year, yes this needs to be addressed, but Jake cost us the game last night.

Yes, he was THE REASON we lost.

Ask anyone who isn't a panther fan, ask anyone with no biased or ties to the panthers. Ask the media, ask anyone who knows anything about any sport.

This was even the topic on the pre game show, about how Jake has to control himself and limit the turnovers.

Jake lost the game, does the defense still suck? yes it does......

[chef17]

Exactly, but that is not what this is about. It is not about respect to your QB or loyalty. NOT in the playoffs. This game is ABOUT US! Fox needs to learn that.

And I completely disagree with your on the comment that if McCowen would have come out there we would have still lost the game. Why?

Because with a guy like him, our offense coordinator would have almost guaranteed to have run play after run play last night. At the very least it would have been an adjustment, something we badly needed and didn't get at half time.

That would have helped us a lot more than interception after interception. The point is McCowen could have not done any worse. But with him handing the ball off pretty much all the time, it would have at least given us a chance with the running game, and guess what...NO PICKS!

I agree. With our backup QB in, Im pretty sure we would have started running the ball more which really could have helped.

[PantherFanForLife]

The defense has been bad all year, yes this needs to be addressed, but Jake cost us the game last night.

Yes, he was THE REASON we lost.

Ask anyone who isn't a panther fan, ask anyone with no biased or ties to the panthers. Ask the media, ask anyone who knows anything about any sport.

This was even the topic on the pre game show, about how Jake has to control himself and limit the turnovers.

Jake lost the game, does the defense still suck? yes it does......

Bullsh*t. Our D was great during the first half of the year. They were awesome last night. Nothing but props to those guys. Every team has holes that need to be adressed on both sides of the ball. We have some problems on D, but to say they suck, shows me you have not watched every game this year.

They had a couple of bad games against THE BEST OFFENSES in the game. That is to be expected. But how many times this year have they COST us a game? I can't think of one.

The fact that we could not cover Larry last not as well as we wanted to, is the equivalent of teams not being able to cover Smith. Which by your logic, means every D we played this year sucks, and should be replaced.

Face it, some teams like the NO Saints, the Cardinals are ALWAYS going to put up some points even on the best of D. On a good D, like ours they will put up a pretty good amount of points. But our D kept us in the game. They did their job.

[Fox007]

Bullsh*t. Our D was great during the first half of the year. They were awesome last night. Nothing but props to those guys. Every team has holes that need to be adressed on both sides of the ball. We have some problems on D, but to say they suck, shows me you have not watched every game this year.

They had a couple of bad games against THE BEST OFFENSES in the game. That is to be expected. But how many times this year have they COST us a game? I can't think of one.

Yea they were bad in the second half of the season, I don't really give a poo what offense they played.

Like we found out yesterday, the playoffs won't have those shitty offenses that give you free wins, so that comment is and will always be retarded.

On paper the Cardinals defense is pretty bad, but they can play vs good teams when it counts apparently. Can we say that?

Seriously that always makes my day, dumb asses be like "but they played against the best offenses in the league".

Yea tard that's what they get paid to do, so fugin stop them.

I don't have nearly as big a beef with the defensive unit as I do with Fox/Turd/Jake.

[PantherFanForLife]

Yea they were bad in the second half of the season, I don't really give a sh*t what offense they played.

Like we found out yesterday, the playoffs won't have those sh*tty offenses that give you free wins, so that comment is and will always be retarded.

On paper the Cardinals defense is pretty bad, but they can play vs good teams when it counts apparently. Can we say that?

Seriously that always makes my day, dumb asses be like "but they played against the best offenses in the league".

Yea tard that's what they get paid to do, so f*ckin stop them.

I don't have nearly as big a beef with the defensive unit as I do with Fox/Turd/Jake.

What we found out yesterday is that Jake can choke on the biggest day of the year, and our coach doesn't know what to do about it.

Why we are having an argument about a defense with pro-bowlers on roster, who were on the field all day, who got us turnovers and did the best they could against guys like Larry, arguably the #1 or #2 receiver in the game, I have no idea.

If anything it shows ignorance on your part, if you expect to just go out there and STOP everyone, like u say. Wake up to reality, change your user name, and let's change our coach. Besides, he IS a defense coach first right? So where does the blame ultimately fall on? Peppers? Beason? Harris?

The only part of the team that did what we expected to do yesterday was the D. Even Lloyd screwed up. But we expected Larry to burn us a couple of times. WE knew that. Our D even knew that before the game. They were hoping to keep them to 3 points on most of their trips, which is what they were SAYING before the game. That's exactly what they did. They DID their job.

So you are barking on the wrong side of the tree this day.

[PantherFanForLife]

I think everyone can make a case for both of them to go, but my guess is neither one will.

First of all in Fox defense, how many 12-4 coaches get the can. Fox will not be fired over this although I would'nt shed many tears if he did.

Delhomme is more likely to go but the lack of a suitable replacement makes that unlikely. Personally, I can't stand Jake's inconsistant play and have wanted the Panthers to look for a replacement for years now. However, there just isn't anyone out there and Jake will be back in 09.

Without a 1st rounder this year, we have to pick up a CB in round 2. Any QB taken late in the second won't be ready to play for a while and we need the help in our secondary

Are we forgetting Jake was undrafted? I'll take a 2nd round QB at this point. Who can be a capable back-up and EARN his starting position from Jake. Shouldn't be that hard to do. The only problem is having a coach that will even give him the chance.

Has our back-up QB even had a single play this year?

[Fox007]

What we found out yesterday is that Jake can choke on the biggest day of the year, and our coach doesn't know what to do about it.

Why we are having an argument about a defense with pro-bowlers on roster, who were on the field all day, who got us turnovers and did the best they could against guys like Larry, arguably the #1 or #2 receiver in the game, I have no idea.

If anything it shows ignorance on your part, if you expect to just go out there and STOP everyone, like u say. Wake up to reality, change your user name, and let's change our coach. Besides, he IS a defense coach first right? So where does the blame ultimately fall on? Peppers? Beason? Harris?

The only part of the team that did what we expected to do yesterday was the D. Even Lloyd screwed up. But we expected Larry to burn us a couple of times. WE knew that. Our D even knew that before the game. They were hoping to keep them to 3 points on most of their trips, which is what they were SAYING before the game. That's exactly what they did. They DID their job.

So you are barking on the wrong side of the tree this day.

No your just misunderstanding me I think.

Jake is TOTALLY to blame for this loss. I do not like Fox.........and my screen name has nothing to do with our coach. Far fugin from it that's for sure.

The point I was saying about our defenses applied to our regular season.

Our defense has given up too many points, but last night isn't their fault.

You damn right I want some coaches gone, Turd and Fox. Jake can go with them.

[Jangler]

Yes Jake turned the ball over. But I am blaming the turd and bad offensive play calling for the loss. We were down 20 points at the start of the second half. With the running game we have is was very possible we could have come back. The defense did play better in the second half, but the running game was not apart of the game in the second half, so I blame Davidson for not doing what we have done all year.

[spartan_pantherfan]

Fox has to go, everyone has seen it the past few years. No fire, No killer mentality on this team.

this whole the season is in quarters and we want to go 3-1 in all of them is BULLSHIT, thats not the attitude you come to play with.

no adjustments, fox admitted to not shadowing Fitz, JUST because we won the game last time and just stuck with it even though EVERYONE could see it was not working, I mean I saw Beason and Harris on him on one of those TDs. WTF a LBer and a Safety trying to cover one of, top 3 for sure WRs in the league GREAT fuging IDEA.

he has to go or this team will not change, we could have any D cord in here next season and fox football will kill us anyways.

[chbright]

150+ yards to fitz is now awsome to PantherFanForLife. excuse me but thats more than piss f*cking poor. its the same with the packers game, the saints game, and even the motherf*cking lions. they got shred the 2nd half when people got tape. also the cards shred us in game #1.

jake f*cked us over but its not like the D did a damn f*cking thing in the 1st half. everyone wants to believe its 1 fix or 2 and we woulda won. stop hitn the bong and stop drinking the kool-aid. we had more issues than jake last night and a sh*t ton on D the 2nd half of the year. it starts with the turd. he sucks a coordinator, has for awhile now. 2 as a former dline coach he gets nothing out of our guys, not good when u look at other teams with less $$ invested in the dl that still get it done ?(giants, eagles, hell cards for that matter). also 2 guys we use to have in tony brown and javon haye are now starting and playing well for their new teams, yet didnt do much here. what does that say for our dc and dl coaches hmm.

and last nite we ran it 15 f*cking times. but oh we were down. not at 7-7 and at even 14-7 we completely gave up on it. it was bullsh*t, the reason you are in the playoffs is the running game and we try to do the exact oposite, brilliant davidson and co.

it was a complete team debacle, coachs and players. hell how many times was no one even on fitz. you think some of those were not f*ckups by the d players (1st f*cking pass he had no one around, thanks marshal for blowing you guy off).

also give some cred to the cards folks they exploited our weakness on both sides of the ball, just like they did to the falcons last week. we just helped the cards cause on both sides of the ball alot more than the falcons.