Wow geno smith to the raiders

[Basbear]

29 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I always thought Coach K looked like he could be a vampire.  Just saying.

 

I heard he had a podcast and I remember how I hated his tone and voice during pressers, just thought he's awful for that. But every comic, CMCs mom, any former 15 min flash, has one... excuse me while I look for a cabin in the mountains...

[Waldo]

48 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, that moronic goal line SB play call aside, Pete Carroll is unarguably one helluva football coach.

He hasn't been the same coach since IMO. Still trying to prove it was the right call. Even with all of that he will still get to .500. I think he has one decent year and then falls into the same rut again. Maybe he will get challenged more from  ownership and whoever there GM is.

[kungfoodude]

18 minutes ago, Waldo said:

He hasn't been the same coach since IMO. Still trying to prove it was the right call. Even with all of that he will still get to .500. I think he has one decent year and then falls into the same rut again. Maybe he will get challenged more from  ownership and whoever there GM is.

He was the same coach, they just started to not be able to keep that elite team together over time and not do as good of a job replacing them.

[LinvilleGorge]

28 minutes ago, Waldo said:

He hasn't been the same coach since IMO. Still trying to prove it was the right call. Even with all of that he will still get to .500. I think he has one decent year and then falls into the same rut again. Maybe he will get challenged more from  ownership and whoever there GM is.

At this point he just needs to come out and tell the truth. Like "Listen, we thought we had it in the bag and we wanted to try to transfer the star power from Beastmode to Russ. Worst case scenario we figured it'd be an incompletion and then we give it back to Beastmode, but we knew he was getting long in the tooth and Russ was the future. It fuging backfired. Hugely. They'd seen it on tape, the DB jumped the route and the rest is history. It is what it is. I've regretted it every waking moment since." It's be a huge weight off his shoulders.

[Waldo]

15 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He was the same coach, they just started to not be able to keep that elite team together over time and not do as good of a job replacing them.

I don't think so. Even then he was still a good HC but just not a great as he was before that.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Waldo said:

I don't think so. Even then he was still a good HC but just not a great as he was before that.

The stats don't really bear that out. He had a better overall winning percentage with Seattle after that game than he did before that game. I think people forget how good Seattle was during the post Super Bowl loss era. It was just that they never got as close again in the postseason. 

They remained a power team up until 2021, which people also forget(odd considering we faced them several times in that span). 

Nothing changed with him as a coach, the situations in Seattle changed(OC's, DC's, personnel, etc). They just were never able to re-capture that same Super Bowl magic.

[frankw]

43 minutes ago, Waldo said:

He hasn't been the same coach since IMO. Still trying to prove it was the right call.

I agree completely.

[Basbear]

Im no fan, but Pete is right there after Billacheat and Reid.

I put him right among and maybe above Tomlin and harr bros. 

He's a winner and done so for many years. Think of the change that's happened, tons..... Only the rare few kept winning. He's one, easy HOFer. 

 

[Waldo]

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

At this point he just needs to come out and tell the truth. Like "Listen, we thought we had it in the bag and we wanted to try to transfer the star power from Beastmode to Russ. Worst case scenario we figured it'd be an incompletion and then we give it back to Beastmode, but we knew he was getting long in the tooth and Russ was the future. It fuging backfired. Hugely. They'd seen it on tape, the DB jumped the route and the rest is history. It is what it is. I've regretted it every waking moment since." It's be a huge weight off his shoulders.

Except Beastmode came out later and said what was going on behind closed doors. They were letting Rus run around like the golden boy and the other guys freaking hated it. He allowed and incuraged it. I linked the video a while ago but it's out there.

I think he is fine with doing it his way. It's served him well but at the same time I think that is really all that stops him from making SB runs anymore.

[Waldo]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The stats don't really bear that out. He had a better overall winning percentage with Seattle after that game than he did before that game. I think people forget how good Seattle was during the post Super Bowl loss era. It was just that they never got as close again in the postseason. 

They remained a power team up until 2021, which people also forget(odd considering we faced them several times in that span). 

Nothing changed with him as a coach, the situations in Seattle changed(OC's, DC's, personnel, etc). They just were never able to re-capture that same Super Bowl magic.

Regular season he is a winner and the numbers show that. He hasn't been a real contender in years. That's what I'm talking about. Again even slightly diminished he is still a winner. He isn't a Reid though and that's the difference. Reid is literally and figuratively hungry and that's why he will always leave Carroll behind in comparison of their careers.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Except Beastmode came out later and said what was going on behind closed doors. They were letting Rus run around like the golden boy and the other guys freaking hated it. He allowed and incuraged it. I linked the video a while ago but it's out there.

I think he is fine with doing it his way. It's served him well but at the same time I think that is really all that stops him from making SB runs anymore.

That's what I'm saying. They fully wanted to make Russ the star but at the time Beastmode was the offensive star of that team in the eyes of the football world.

[Basbear]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's what I'm saying. They fully wanted to make Russ the star but at the time Beastmode was the offensive star of that team in the eyes of the football world.

 

LG, please clean up the draft forum.

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Regular season he is a winner and the numbers show that. He hasn't been a real contender in years. That's what I'm talking about. Again even slightly diminished he is still a winner. He isn't a Reid though and that's the difference. Reid is literally and figuratively hungry and that's why he will always leave Carroll behind in comparison of their careers.

Now you say Reid but Andy Reid didn't have Super Bowl success until Mahomes. But he was always among the leagues best.

That's why I never understood the false narrative about Carroll changing. He changed some over time to adjust to differences in personnel but he did that at USC too. He didn't "change" as a HC at USC either after the early titles. Similar to Seattle he was still extremely successful until the very end.

It's just hard to win all the time. Especially in the NFL. Hell, Brady and Belichick had a 9 year drought(0-2 in SB) before they got back to winning titles. It just happens.

For all we know Reid never wins another one(I wouldn't bet on it but it is possible).

Again, I just don't agree with the "it changed him" narrative that people like to push. There has never been any indication he changed at all. He just never reached the Super Bowl again. That is also possible that happens if they did win that game. 

[Waldo]

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's what I'm saying. They fully wanted to make Russ the star but at the time Beastmode was the offensive star of that team in the eyes of the football world.

Beast mode said that behind doors Rus was made the star and the other guys hated it. That play was just the rest of us finding out how they roll. Money didn't kill that D, that was the breaking point and guys just wanted out. Lynch literally laughed in Carroll's face after that loss. That's how Carroll ran his team and why it wasn't a dynasty.