King, Rosario, Barnidge

[DudeNamedJeremy]

barnidge is the best te overall we have.

if i HAD to cut one it would be king

sorry, jeff. i like you and all but that catch vs the chargers rosario made gave me a hard-on for weeks

[Zod]

King is a Fox kind of player through and through. Work ethic, tenacity, attention to detail, team player. Even if his physical skills are not as grand as the others, these intangibles will keep him in good graces.

[Davidson Deac II]

Instead of discussing what you saw on television or at the game lets look at a professional site where experts actually look at game film and use an analysis to evaluate tight ends without an agenda or biased perspective.

Lets look beyond the obvious which is that Barnidge averaged 20 yards per catch versus Rosario's 12.0 and King's 8.0.

How about that seperation issue by looking at yards after the catch. No surprise here, it shows that Barnidge averaged 8.8 yards after the catch while Rosario averaged 5.1 and King averaged 2.9.

Then lets look at run blocking and it get interesting. What we all know is that King is the best blocker right?? Not according to the facts. Of the three TEs, Barnidge actually ranked the highest (24th) at a positive 1.9, Rosario ranked 52nd with a -0.6. Guess who ranked lowest of the three. Yeah King who was 96th with a -8.6.

How about pass blocking? Barnidge was 36th with a 0.4, Rosario and King were tied for 80th with a -0.9.

Lets look at the dropped passes issue.

Rosario dropped 2, while King and Barnidge dropped 0.

Who is most elusive? Barnidge caused 2 missed tackles, Rosario and King caused 0.

Gee this is fun. So much good information you can readily see when you actually look at the numbers which don't lie. Have your own fun with the site.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=TE&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=0&numgames=1

Yeah, I forgot that stats and analyses don't matter and your observations are so much better than a professional site with no ax to grind.

Good lord you are a drama queen. I have no axe to grind and I don't have a favorite. I don't really care which one of them would really get cut. We discuss our opinions on this board. I just think that your opinion that Rosario doesn't get separation is incorrect. But whatever.

[Urrymonster]

All these people saying Barnidge is the worst blocker and yet our own coaching staff bring in Barnidge mainly in running plays, which turns out is almost as often as Rosario, yet Rosario played a lot more...

[panthers55]

Good lord you are a drama queen. I have no axe to grind and I don't have a favorite. I don't really care which one of them would really get cut. We discuss our opinions on this board. I just think that your opinion that Rosario doesn't get separation is incorrect. But whatever.

Again look at the numbers and you have your answer. Rosario averaged 5.5 yards after the catch so he does get some separation, some of the time. More than King and much less than Barnidge.

I wouldn't have to sound like a drama queen ( I prefer elementary school teacher) to get across a basic point if you weren't so dense.

But whatever.

[panthers55]

All these people saying Barnidge is the worst blocker and yet our own coaching staff bring in Barnidge mainly in running plays, which turns out is almost as often as Rosario, yet Rosario played a lot more...

That because if they actually looked at the site I posted which rates each of them on pass and run blocking, it would be clear that Barnidge is rated as our best blocking TE not our worse. But as long as they keep ignoring the facts they will continue to make incorrect evaluations.

But Zod made a good point. One of Fox's flaws is that he tends to stick with the guy with good old school football values despite the fact they may be less talented and productive. It is great to have a hard worker, team player, etc but if he isn't as good, the team ultimately suffers. We found that with Jake over Matt and we see it again with King starting when he is least productive or capable of the TEs.

[Zod]

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But Zod made a good point.

bookmarked....

[panthers55]

bookmarked....

Yeah I was surprised too.

[WilkinsonDonnie]

A very good question but definitely King or Rosario, but all three will be on the roster when the season comes especially considering Rosario is a backup FB. But we do need some roster space considering all the special teamers we might be carrying.

[Wither]

Yeah, I forgot that stats and analyses don't matter and your observations are so much better than a professional site with no ax to grind.

But those sites have their own downsides, much like fan analysis has its own.

[panthers55]

But those sites have their own downsides, much like fan analysis has its own.

Different is that at least numbers are facts that are based on what happened. Fan analyses are by their nature amateurish and based on watching TV or attending a game which is much different from game film or coaches tape. Most are colored by opinion and speculation which may or may be close to what actually happened.

Usually not comparable at all.

[Kevin Greene]

Three capable TE's.

Lets say you were forced to cut one, which one would it be?

So it doesn't matter who they cut.