King, Rosario, Barnidge

[g5jamz]

IMO...King is on the outside looking in. He has the veteran moniker, but seeing the path this team is taking with youth...I don't know. As I mentioned, Rosario has a plus in that he's also played the FB position and having multi-position players (STers) is a huge advantage in Fox's mind. Barnidge has huge upside, but again this plays into what Fox deems important. King is more than likely the best blocker of all 3, but with Fox focusing more on the passing game, you may see a run blocking TE with less clout than another receiving threat with moderate blocking skills.

[Davidson Deac II]

Obviously we aren't going to cut anyone particularly since we use so many 2 TE sets.

But in terms of rating them, Barnidge is by far the best of the three. He showed his potential last year averaging 20 yards a catch. With 4.6 speed he instantly creates a matchup problem for any linebacker. I expect him to get 30 catches and 500 yards this season. His blocking is better than folks think at this point.

King and Rosario are similar in that they are not very fast nor are they great getting separation stretching the field or running after the catch. I would rate King second and Rosario third.

Rosario is faster than King. Speedwise, Barnidge is the fastest, followed by Rosario, with King being the slowest. Barnidge's 40 time is 4.65. Rosario's 40 time is 4.75, which is decent for a Tight End. King's speed is around 4.85 or so. His forte is blocking, which seems to be something most fans ignore, but coaches dont.

[Urrymonster]

Some interesting lil tid bits for you

*64% of Barnidge's snaps were run blocking

*Rosario had 53% of his snaps as an active receiver, compared to Barnidge at 33% & King's 28%

*King completed 76% (GB - 60%, DR - 58%) of passes thrown at him, yet had the least yards averaging just 8 yards per reception...

Considering all this, King really is just an average consistent veteran, which is great if you have play makers in the passing game.

Rosario is the guy we turn to most in the passing game

Barnidge is between the two in both blocking and passing game, he also has the most potential as a receiver...

Considering all that, you kinda have to think Rosario is really the odd man out, not great at blocking (or used much), decent in the passing game but is very hit or miss and has a guy behind him who could produce just as much. However we need three competent TEs.

Rosario is the most on the bubble

[Davidson Deac II]

How many snaps did Barnidge actually take though? Best I can remember, not many so the numbers could be skewed. For example, if he played in the Giants game a lot, a game in which we didn't throw much in the second half, then that would definitely skew his numbers.

[panthers55]

Rosario is faster than King. Speedwise, Barnidge is the fastest, followed by Rosario, with King being the slowest. Barnidge's 40 time is 4.65. Rosario's 40 time is 4.75, which is decent for a Tight End. King's speed is around 4.85 or so. His forte is blocking, which seems to be something most fans ignore, but coaches dont.

Rosario is faster than King but that isn't saying much. Neither of them can get separation in the secondary and neither can run well after the catch. I put Rosario behind King because Rosario has made some gaffes on special team blocking, disappears for games at a time and doesn't fight for the ball. Honestly I would like us to upgrade the postion and get rid of both of them in the next year or two.

[Urrymonster]

How many snaps did Barnidge actually take though? Best I can remember, not many so the numbers could be skewed. For example, if he played in the Giants game a lot, a game in which we didn't throw much in the second half, then that would definitely skew his numbers.

He played in 265 snaps at TE, which equated to 27.9% of our offensive season.

Rosario played in 535, King 778.

This thing is that Barnidge took 171 snaps in run blocking, Rosario only 206, despite nearly 300 more snaps than Barnidge.

[Zod]

Obviously we aren't going to cut anyone particularly since we use so many 2 TE sets.

Probably not, unless a more proven player comes available and is an upgrade.

[panthers55]

Probably not, unless a more proven player comes available and is an upgrade.

Wouldn't mind seeing another guy with some speed. That way our version of the 4 wide sets (22 formation with 2 TEs and 2 Wideouts) could actually stretch the field and give us a run/pass option on most downs.

[Ricky Spanish]

the only way to solve this is a cage match to the death. the two living TEs stay on the roster.

[Peppers90 NC]

None. Rosario is our backup FB.

But honestly...it would probably be more of a salary cap cut than anything.

I dont think they make enough to be cut for salary cap reasons.

[Nytrogen]

King is slower on madden.

So King.

Hah.

[The Saltman]

cut em all...we can have Catman play TE instead.

[Baschski]

Thanks for creating a thread that provokes decent, thoughtful discussion.

Anyone who even considers cutting Barnidge needs to go reevaluate their life decisions, and maybe move away to an isolated desert island forever. Barnidge clearly has the most upside, and it's not even close. Barnidge has an absurd combination of size and speed to go along with good hands--this guy could become an elite TE in the next couple seasons if we play our cards right. He's the biggest threat receiving but also a great blocker (though not quite as good as King). Rosario has been a play maker for us catching the ball and is also a good special teams guy. I think if you cut one, it has to be King. He's been great for us but it doesn't look like he has much upside anymore, and Barnidge and Rosario are only getting better at blocking.

All that said, I love having three good TE's and I'm glad that we don't have to make this decision.

[The Saltman]

sorry Baschki...I had to add my not so decent unthoughtful post to the mix...thats what I do best... but I would prefer to cut King if I had to...I think the others are good enough blockers with better hands and better speed than King.