Jets extend Ferguson

[Boltergeist]

Adding 6 yr/$60M to last 2 years of current contract

Jets sign Ducasse, first 2nd rounder to terms

[panthers55]

Another example where the 30% rule didn't stop a team from signing their essential players. Guys like Davis and Williams must be looking at this and wondering why they haven't been offered an extension.

[Urrymonster]

Another example where the 30% rule didn't stop a team from signing their essential players. Guys like Davis and Williams must be looking at this and wondering why they haven't been offered an extension.

I don't thin Davis' lack of extension is to do with the 30% rule...

[Boltergeist]

Another example where the 30% rule didn't stop a team from signing their essential players.

30% rule wasn't a factor

Ferguson's base salaries [$6M last year, and he's still owed $13.4M over the remaining 2 years of his original deal] were high enough that they could do his deal within the 30% rule.

[panthers55]

30% rule wasn't a factor

Ferguson's base salaries [$6M last year, and he's still owed $13.4M over the remaining 2 years of his original deal] were high enough that they could do his deal within the 30% rule.

The reality is that they gave him a 6 year 60 million extension. Given the sguaranteed money which was over 50% of the deal, the 30% wasn't going to be a big factor in any case. All they had to do was to make the base salary smaler and put much of the money in roster bonuses or incentive laden clauses which don't factor into the base salary. If I remember correctly roster bonuses don't count as base salary and are fingured in when they are paid. Many teams convert the roster bonus into a signing bonus at that time so they don't count as part of the base salary or something to that effect. What this article should have said is that they could do the deal in a straighforward fashion without being creative. Truth is that neither Williams or Davis would be seeing this kind of money anyway. And there are still contracts out there that will be done with guys coming off their rookie contracts that will pay them big bucks and still fit under the 30% rule. It really isn't the stumbling block it is made out to be. It was designed to keep teams from using the uncapped year to sign all their players to whopping contracts to get around the cap in future years, not to keep teams from signing their core players.

[DaCityKats]

but the 30% rule and uncertainty with the cap is why we cant sign or young core players yet......

[panthers55]

I don't thin Davis' lack of extension is to do with the 30% rule...

Before he got injured I guaranteed that was the reason stated. Now it may be different. The whole idea of protecting from a lockout is just a bargaining ploy against the players. While this could drag out next year into training camp, there is no way the players or coaches are stupid enough to repeat the disasters that Hockey and Baseball suffered with extended strikes. I promise that no matter how negative the rhetoric, a deal will be done by the beginning of the regular season next year.

[panthers55]

but the 30% rule and uncertainty with the cap is why we cant sign or young core players yet......

I think both the 30% rule and potential lockout are being trotted out as reasons for the lack of signings but the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that we are going to cut some of those core players and blame the lockout for doing so. I just don't see Richardson shelling out the 100 million in signing bonuses to keep everyone here. I wouldn't be surprised to see Williams and Davis gone as well as a sign and trade deal for Moore if he plays well. That assumes we go 8-8 this year. Unless we get into the playoffs this year and have a reasonable chance to win it all, we won't be making the moves that teams like the Jets are doing trying to keep everyone together unless we believe like them we are a SB contender.

[Urrymonster]

Before he got injured I guaranteed that was the reason stated. Now it may be different. The whole idea of protecting from a lockout is just a bargaining ploy against the players. While this could drag out next year into training camp, there is no way the players or coaches are stupid enough to repeat the disasters that Hockey and Baseball suffered with extended strikes. I promise that no matter how negative the rhetoric, a deal will be done by the beginning of the regular season next year.

You think we still extend Davis an offer before free agency? I can't see that happening. He will be bordering 28 by free agency and not have played since early Nov in 2009. We would be foolish indeed to offer him a contract that is 'fair market value'. I can see us offering him a contract that is modest for a guy that has had two consecutive season ending injuries, which of course will not be accepted straight away as he is looking for the final deal of his career.

You really hit the nail on the head in your next post. Of course the 30% is having an impact, mainly because owners will not be happy about giving so much guaranteed money away. There is no such thing as a guarantee in football, so why would teams go nuts, simply to get a work around the system??? It's manoeuvres like this that catch up to teams 4 or 5 years down the line.

If someone is signing a huge money, long term deal you need them to keep working for it. Chuck a load of money at them straight away and have a large portion as guaranteed and you will really test how much they love the game. It's a really really bad business model to follow and frankly I am glad we don't extend everyone under the sun when we can't completely dictate the terms, rather having to 'be creative' to work round the 30% rule.

Of course teams can get it done, but that does not mean it's a good idea...

[panthers55]

You think we still extend Davis an offer before free agency? I can't see that happening. He will be bordering 28 by free agency and not have played since early Nov in 2009. We would be foolish indeed to offer him a contract that is 'fair market value'. I can see us offering him a contract that is modest for a guy that has had two consecutive season ending injuries, which of course will not be accepted straight away as he is looking for the final deal of his career.

You really hit the nail on the head in your next post. Of course the 30% is having an impact, mainly because owners will not be happy about giving so much guaranteed money away. There is no such thing as a guarantee in football, so why would teams go nuts, simply to get a work around the system??? It's manoeuvres like this that catch up to teams 4 or 5 years down the line.

If someone is signing a huge money, long term deal you need them to keep working for it. Chuck a load of money at them straight away and have a large portion as guaranteed and you will really test how much they love the game. It's a really really bad business model to follow and frankly I am glad we don't extend everyone under the sun when we can't completely dictate the terms, rather having to 'be creative' to work round the 30% rule.

Of course teams can get it done, but that does not mean it's a good idea...

The answer to both Davis and rookie contract extensions is make them incentive laden. That doesn't count as regular salary unless they are "likely to be earned" and aren't guaranteed or paid unless the player produces. Of course the players often balk at this as they want it guaranteed no matter their performance, who wouldn't.

But for example if you paid Davis 1 million for making over 100 tackles, another 1 million for making the pro-bowl and so forth, they wouldn't be likely to be earned since he hasn't done it in the past and wouldn't count as regular salary. If a guy like me can figure this much out then someone who does this for a living should be childs play.

[Kurb]

The fear that Jerry is going to tank the level of talent on this team in order to steer the fuging ship for his Owner buddies becomes stronger every contract that is given out to other teams young stars.

[panthers55]

The fear that Jerry is going to tank the level of talent on this team in order to steer the f**king ship for his Owner buddies becomes stronger every contract that is given out to other teams young stars.

Sad but true. The whole do what it takes to win a SB is taking a backseat to the CBA agreement and could hurt us seriously if we dump some of the last remaining veterans on the team to make a point to the players. I guarantee that guys like Williams and Beason are watching these other contracts being handing out and wondering why they aren't valued enough by their own team to justify paying them now.

[DaCityKats]

I think both the 30% rule and potential lockout are being trotted out as reasons for the lack of signings but the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that we are going to cut some of those core players and blame the lockout for doing so. I just don't see Richardson shelling out the 100 million in signing bonuses to keep everyone here. I wouldn't be surprised to see Williams and Davis gone as well as a sign and trade deal for Moore if he plays well. That assumes we go 8-8 this year. Unless we get into the playoffs this year and have a reasonable chance to win it all, we won't be making the moves that teams like the Jets are doing trying to keep everyone together unless we believe like them we are a SB contender.

this....even with a playoff run.

[DaCityKats]

The fear that Jerry is going to tank the level of talent on this team in order to steer the f**king ship for his Owner buddies becomes stronger every contract that is given out to other teams young stars.

exactly how will this sit with our young stars? let alone if they leave how could we replace them, not with just draft picks. this man will poo his on team before he does the shield.