Canales on TE spot from Char observer

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, jayboogieman said:

And most recently, I'm pretty sure if you ask Raiders fans about Bowers, they'd say he's a difference maker and was more than worth the pick too.

And how has he helped them win? He hasn't. 

[jayboogieman]

9 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

And how has he helped them win? He hasn't. 

And the same can be said for every player on every team. This old positional draft value BS needs to stop, except for maybe RB. And that's my exception to the rule. Even then, if a team feels player x is the best option for them, draft him and don't worry about what anyone thinks about it.

[La Pantera]

18 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

And most recently, I'm pretty sure if you ask Raiders fans about Bowers, they'd say he's a difference maker and was more than worth the pick too.

Literally the ONLY impact TE in the league, that was took high in the 1st round.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, La Pantera said:

Literally the ONLY impact TE in the league, that was took high in the 1st round.

I mean the data is literally right there in front of their face and they still think its a smart move.

[Icege]

TJ Hockenson was drafted #8 in 2019 and has been a two-time Pro Bowler (2020, 2022). He was a John Mackey award recipient and named first team All-American and first team-Big 10. Combine results: 6'5", 251lbs, 32.25" arms, 9.5" hands, 4.7sec 40yd dash (1.59sec 10yd split), 37.5" vertical, 10'3" broad jump, 7.02sec 3-cone drill, 4.18sec 20yd shuttle, 17 reps on the bench.

Brock Bowers was drafted #13 and made the Pro Bowl, was named first team All-Pro, and was named to the 2024 PFWA All-Rookie Team. He was also first team All-American, first team all-SEC, and John Mackey award recipient. Pro day results: 6'3", 243lbs, 32.75" arms, 9.75" hands, 4.53sec 40yd dash.

Tyler Warren is a John Mackey award recipient, first team All-American, and first team all-Big10. He was also named the offensive MVP for the Fiesta Bowl. Combine results: 6'5.5", 256lbs, 31.75" arms, 9.5" hands. Pro day is scheduled for March 28th. He's currently slated as a top 15, possibly top 10 pick.

 

I understand that some folks want the budget spreadsheet to read a certain way but games are won on the field, not in Excel. If they'd just try watching Warren's tape without any prejudice against his position or school, they'd see one of the best prospects in this draft.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

Certified DAWG. Don't pass up on a solid football player just because of their position... that's like passing up on a player because of their school (Ohio State QBs, anyone?).

Would be very happy with the selection. The dude can block, he can catch, he can run folks over.

Exactly.  This is no different than helmet scouting.  You’re drafting a player, not the history of a position at a draft slot.

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, Icege said:

TJ Hockenson was drafted #8 in 2019 and has been a two-time Pro Bowler (2020, 2022). He was a John Mackey award recipient and named first team All-American and first team-Big 10. Combine results: 6'5", 251lbs, 32.25" arms, 9.5" hands, 4.7sec 40yd dash (1.59sec 10yd split), 37.5" vertical, 10'3" broad jump, 7.02sec 3-cone drill, 4.18sec 20yd shuttle, 17 reps on the bench.

Brock Bowers was drafted #13 and made the Pro Bowl, was named first team All-Pro, and was named to the 2024 PFWA All-Rookie Team. He was also first team All-American, first team all-SEC, and John Mackey award recipient. Pro day results: 6'3", 243lbs, 32.75" arms, 9.75" hands, 4.53sec 40yd dash.

Tyler Warren is a John Mackey award recipient, first team All-American, and first team all-Big10. He was also named the offensive MVP for the Fiesta Bowl. Combine results: 6'5.5", 256lbs, 31.75" arms, 9.5" hands. Pro day is scheduled for March 28th. He's currently slated as a top 15, possibly top 10 pick.

 

I understand that some folks want the budget spreadsheet to read a certain way but games are won on the field, not in Excel. If they'd just try watching Warren's tape without any prejudice against his position or school, they'd see one of the best prospects in this draft.

You think TJ was worth pick 8?   Good lord man. 

 

And Kyle pitts also won the Mackey award.  How's that working out?

Edited 3 hours ago by mrcompletely11

[Icege]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You think TJ was worth pick 8?   Good lord man. 

What does a TE have to do in your eyes to be worth being drafted at #8? Or is there nothing?

Hell Mode Challenge: Try and communicate it without being an asshole.

Edited 3 hours ago by Icege

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, Icege said:

What does a TE have to do in your eyes to be worth drafting being drafted at #8? Or is there nothing?

Hell Mode Challenge: Try and communicate it without being an asshole.

Taking a te in the first has no value. You are punch drunk from Bowers.  Would you be happy if we drafted warren at 8 and he produced tj numbers?

 

 

And sorry about your feelings 

[Icege]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Taking a te in the first has no value.

So you would NEVER draft a TE in the first round? Under no circumstances? You would always take a less touted prospect so long as they were at a position you found to be more important?

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, Icege said:

So you would NEVER draft a TE in the first round? Under no circumstances? You would always take a less touted prospect so long as they were at a position you found to be more important?

The data says absolutely 

[Icege]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

The data says absolutely 

The fact that you wouldn't draft Greg Olsen because Kevin Kolb was still available is hurting your argument more than you think that it is helping. 

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, Icege said:

The fact that you wouldn't draft Greg Olsen because Kevin Kolb was still available is hurting your argument more than you think that it is helping. 

Greg Olsen isn't helping your argument 

[Icege]

39 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Greg Olsen isn't helping your argument 

Greg Olsen went in the first. You said outright you don't draft one in the first.

That one is on you, sport.