Matt Moore is having a Great Summer

[Nu Guns]

Matt Moores sucess this year will prove that Jimmy Claussen was a waste of a perfectly good draft pick.

Couldnt DISagree more

Depth is a good thing...and at qb we have never had it.

Claussen will be ready to come in should something happen to Moore.

[thefuzz]

The only reason the chargers drafted rivers is because brees wasn't getting it done. He was a total bust his first three years in sd. He was even benched in favor of old ass doug flutie. It wasn't until rivers was drafted when the light came on for brees

First of all, I have read the rest of this thread and I am a little amazed.

Secondly, They took Rivers because of value. They thought a lot of Brees, but they were not sure if he had what it took to put them over the edge. Elite QB's are wayyyy too valueable to pass up at any point, ever.

Brees improved, Rivers sat, Brees got hurt and did not sign his contract and left in free agency.

The situation that the Panthers were in on draft day, is the same one that the Chargers were in on that draft day. We had a QB that we liked a lot, but one came available that was too good to pass up. Clausen. Moore has not played well enough, or enough period to pass up a potential elite QB.

We don't even need to start talking free agency, injury, CBA issues, or the fact that the Panthers have never had a great QB on it's roster.

Clausen was the right pick, even if he is a bust.

[MHS831]

Clausen is in a perfect situation. THe odds of him busting are minimal. Good running game, OL, WRs that will grow with him. He has a year to learn. THese early round busts are due to the fact that they didnt have an OL, running game, and they had to start from day 1. They were expected to save the franchises that drafted them. Lotta pressure for a 22-year old.

Clausen gives us options. Did we have an option when we gave Jake a bizillion dollars at age 35? Moore can walk after this season. He could ask for 10 million a year. If so, and there is a cap, do you keep Clausen at $1 million per year or Moore on a 4 year, $45 million contract? Clausen will prove to be the best QB in the draft. What is wasted about giving yourself options, competition, and depth? We drafted Connor when we had Beason, and he will start this year. We drafted Kalil when we had a high-profile center, and he is now our starting pro bowl center. Moore could stay and become the next Tom Brady. If so, Clausen was not a wasted pick. With Pike and Cantwell, we could trade Clausen if that is the case, probably to a desperate team and get a first rounder for him. I see Clausen as our starting QB in the future.

[Jpjr]

Clausen is in a perfect situation. THe odds of him busting are minimal. Good running game, OL, WRs that will grow with him. He has a year to learn. THese early round busts are due to the fact that they didnt have an OL, running game, and they had to start from day 1. They were expected to save the franchises that drafted them. Lotta pressure for a 22-year old.

Clausen gives us options. Did we have an option when we gave Jake a bizillion dollars at age 35? Moore can walk after this season. He could ask for 10 million a year. If so, and there is a cap, do you keep Clausen at $1 million per year or Moore on a 4 year, $45 million contract? Clausen will prove to be the best QB in the draft. What is wasted about giving yourself options, competition, and depth? We drafted Connor when we had Beason, and he will start this year. We drafted Kalil when we had a high-profile center, and he is now our starting pro bowl center. Moore could stay and become the next Tom Brady. If so, Clausen was not a wasted pick. With Pike and Cantwell, we could trade Clausen if that is the case, probably to a desperate team and get a first rounder for him. I see Clausen as our starting QB in the future.

Couldn't agree with this analysis more.

Clausen is the thoroughbred in the barn. When the time is right they will let him out. The longer they can wait, the better. But my guess is that they won't be waiting past September unless they are above .500.

[PantherBob]

First of all, I have read the rest of this thread and I am a little amazed.

Secondly, They took Rivers because of value. They thought a lot of Brees, but they were not sure if he had what it took to put them over the edge. Elite QB's are wayyyy too valueable to pass up at any point, ever.

Brees improved, Rivers sat, Brees got hurt and did not sign his contract and left in free agency.

The situation that the Panthers were in on draft day, is the same one that the Chargers were in on that draft day. We had a QB that we liked a lot, but one came available that was too good to pass up. Clausen. Moore has not played well enough, or enough period to pass up a potential elite QB.

We don't even need to start talking free agency, injury, CBA issues, or the fact that the Panthers have never had a great QB on it's roster.

Clausen was the right pick, even if he is a bust.

The chargers had the #1 overall pick in that draft mainly because Brees sucked and was a total bust in SD at that point. They gave up on him and decided to draft Eli Manning who obviously didnt want to be there. It had nothing to do with value. Its not like they had the 15th overall pick and Rivers or Manning fell to them. They were adressing a need because at the time it looked like Brees wasnt going to be any good. The plan was to let Rivers sit for a year and let Brees play out the final year of his deal while Rivers learned. Of coarse he ended up having a pro bowl season so they kept him for one more year after that.

The Chargers situation has nothing to do with the panthers. The chargers picked first overall and adressed a need. The panthers didnt pick til the 2nd round and took a player for depth purposes only because he fell to them.

[thefuzz]

The chargers had the #1 overall pick in that draft mainly because Brees sucked and was a total bust in SD at that point. They gave up on him and decided to draft Eli Manning who obviously didnt want to be there. It had nothing to do with value. Its not like they had the 15th overall pick and Rivers or Manning fell to them. They were adressing a need because at the time it looked like Brees wasnt going to be any good. The plan was to let Rivers sit for a year and let Brees play out the final year of his deal while Rivers learned. Of coarse he ended up having a pro bowl season so they kept him for one more year after that.

The Chargers situation has nothing to do with the panthers. The chargers picked first overall and adressed a need. The panthers didnt pick til the 2nd round and took a player for depth purposes only because he fell to them.

Rivers was supposed to start from day 1, but held out of Camp, and Brees was good enough to win the starting job. He was not supposed to sit.

And yes, it had everything to do with value. They could have chosen Fitzy, with the first, and they had a serious need there, but they chose a QB, because they are too valueable to pass up.

The situation is very similar to ours. Both had a QB that they liked, but there were doubts. Both teams had a "franchise" type QB available to pick in the draft. Both teams took the QB, as they should have done.

[PantherBob]

You just contradicted yourself. You said that the plan was for Rivers to start from day 1 If thats the case then it proves how little they thought of Drew Brees which is why they gave up on him and drafted Rivers. WR was not as big of a need a QB for them. There was a reason why they benched Drew Brees in favor of Doug Flutie. Because Brees wasnt very good!

[monstercat]

This just in, most QB's, regardless of where they are drafted, aren't that good in their first couple of years. When you draft a QB, you're drafting for the future, not the present. In the Panthers case, they wanted to make damn sure they had competition and depth at the most important position on the field for the first time in years. Only a moron could look back on the QB problems the Panthers have had in the last few years, and conclude that it was a mistake to draft another QB when they got the chance.

[PantherBob]

I would bet a million dollars if the panthers passed on Claussen for another player you would be defending that pick til you were blue in the face the same way you're defending this one. Only a moron cant see that WR and DT were MUCH bigger needs than a 3rd string QB.

[monstercat]

I would bet a million dollars if the panthers passed on Claussen for another player you would be defending that pick til you were blue in the face the same way you're defending this one. Only a moron cant see that WR and DT were MUCH bigger needs than a 3rd string QB.

They drafted 3 WR's numb nuts. You bitched about that too. And they must have liked the DT's they traded for better than that fat ass Cody you keep talking about, who BTW, is not suited for anything but NT in a 3-4, and who will not be a starter this year.

[PantherBob]

And I bet all the money in the world if the panthers had drafted Cody you would be praising the pick and defending it til you were blue in the face. Yeah we drafted 3 WRs. One that cant catch, one thats a QB, and one that probably wont even make the team. Whoopee!!!!!

[thefuzz]

You just contradicted yourself. You said that the plan was for Rivers to start from day 1 If thats the case then it proves how little they thought of Drew Brees which is why they gave up on him and drafted Rivers. WR was not as big of a need a QB for them. There was a reason why they benched Drew Brees in favor of Doug Flutie. Because Brees wasnt very good!

Once again, just like the Panthers, the Chargers had a guy that they liked, but there was someone in the draft too valueable to pass up. QB's are gold in the NFL, overweight NT's with a poor work ethic are not.

I have criticized the Panthers for years for not drafting QB's. If they had passed on a top 10 talent (my opinion) that fell to the second round, I would have lost my mind.

This is a big what if, but seriously....what if Moore is not "the guy"?

[PantherBob]

AGAIN, The chargers biggest need heading into the 2004 draft was QB so they took one with the first pick. It had zero to do with value. Brees was a bust at that point. You obviously werent watching football back then.

The panthers biggest needs heading into this draft was WR and DT. They had the chance to take a very good one at each position but decided to take a QB only because he had a higher grade....not because it was the biggest need.

What if Moore is the guy and claussen isnt? Then its a waste of a pick.

[thefuzz]

Listen dude. Any pick could be deemed as wasted if a stud walks in off the street, that does not make the pick wrong.

I understand that you like to slob Moore's knob, and I am just as hopeful as you that he is the f'ing man. But just like me, the FO was not SURE that he was the man. So they took someone that they thought could be.

It's not that hard to understand.

BTW did you take a peek at what our QB depth chart has looked like over the past 5 seasons....if not you need to.

Clausen can be a bust, or he may be great, either way it was the right pick for the Panthers. It's all about value, and QB's are by far the most valueable pieces of the puzzle in the NFL.

Of course Clausen had a higher grade, that's why they picked him...what the hell are you trying to say, that we should have drafted for need and not best player available????

P.S. QB is a very high need for this team.