Milton Williams

[PleaseCutStewart]

I would like to get him, but I'd rather not use most of our cap on him when we need like 8 other positions on defense 

[Lurk21]

I actually  thought Ashawn did a good job without Brown to help on the other side. I like Milton but I'd rather get a true nose to pair and spend that money on a pass rusher. Talent is talent tho. 

[KillerKat]

Had him on the panthers in Madden and he was a beast.

[Panfan35]

I would love it then draft Kenneth grant with the first pick who is a true nose then our line would be monstrous 

[shaq]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

I think the 3/4 phrasing (position names) creates confusion.  DT is the NT and DEs are 300 lb ers who cover the 3T-5T spots.  Of course, the OLBs are the edge players.  Sometimes when we chat about, people call the 3-4 DEs DTs and it gets confusing.

I hear you brother thank you, I should have specified more. Personally, I miss when we used to run a 4-3, especially with the run game returning in the past few years.

[MHS831]

6 hours ago, shaq said:

I hear you brother thank you, I should have specified more. Personally, I miss when we used to run a 4-3, especially with the run game returning in the past few years.

No problem.  It really bothers me when I try to research needs by position.  Do I look at DE or OLB?  DE or DT?  etc. I see things through the 4-3 lens as well--I convert 3-4 positions to the role they play in the 4-3.  I think teams are headed to a 4-2-5 anyway--

Edited 13 hours ago by MHS831

[kungfoodude]

Love the player, depends on the price.

[panthers55]

Defenses play multiple packages beside their base package so the distinction between a 3-4 and 4-3  aren't as big as folks want to make it out to be. The bigger issue is often how they try to get pressure and how aggressive they are. Last year we generated little pressure, played a passive zone shell and avoiding giving up big plays by surrendering small ones and yardage on every play. It wouldn't have mattered what scheme we would have used. And without an influx of talent in free agency we will suck for several more years waiting for the rookies to develop into studs. It took Brown years to become the probowler he is. No you can't have all pros at every position but honestly you still win in the trenches and spending money there won't be wasted.

[SmittysLawnGuy]

10 hours ago, shaq said:

Let’s talk about it, what’s your reasoning?

Unless your willing to add pics of jugs or man buns, you can forget Juan responding, I'll help you out.

 

 

 

Juan. Here boy!

[shaq]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

No problem.  It really bothers me when I try to research needs by position.  Do I look at DE or OLB?  DE or DT?  etc. I see things through the 4-3 lens as well--I convert 3-4 positions to the role they play in the 4-3.  I think teams are headed to a 4-2-5 anyway--

Very true, it can be very confusing to convert someone who runs a traditional 4-3 role to 3-4, take a player like Shemar Stewart in this draft in college he was listed at 281-290 lb in college. Now he comes into the combine at 267 lbs, he went from 3-4 base DE size to more 3-4 OLB size. I’m not totally sure where to project him for us, but I totally agree 4-2-5 has been becoming increasingly popular. I wish we would run more Cover-1, Evero having our corners 10 yards off the WR and watching screen plays and short passes shred all all season is just dumb. Especially with Jaycee being an ideal press coverage guy, I wish Evero would adjust the defense to his players skillsets and not force them into his.

[hepcat]

For the right price, not at the sacrifice of other positions on defense, this is a good signing. Breaking the bank for him would just be similar to what the Panthers did signing lower tier guys like Shy Tuttle to bad deals and messing up the cap. Fitterer did such a bad job on this roster I’m surprised he still has a job in the NFL. 

[Icege]

11 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I think the 3/4 phrasing (position names) creates confusion.  DT is the NT and DEs are 300 lb ers who cover the 3T-5T spots.  Of course, the OLBs are the edge players.  Sometimes when we chat about, people call the 3-4 DEs DTs and it gets confusing.  Not to be condescending, but it used to trip me up at times.

The most frustrating part about the folks crying about 3-4 vs 4-3 is that defenses are in nickel primarily... Really shows who doesn't understand what's going on in front of their own eyes when we hear them cry about going back to a 4-3.

Edited 9 hours ago by Icege

[MHS831]

15 minutes ago, hepcat said:

For the right price, not at the sacrifice of other positions on defense, this is a good signing. Breaking the bank for him would just be similar to what the Panthers did signing lower tier guys like Shy Tuttle to bad deals and messing up the cap. Fitterer did such a bad job on this roster I’m surprised he still has a job in the NFL. 

I can't think of any decision he made that was good.  He was horrible.

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, Icege said:

The most frustrating part about the folks crying about 3-4 vs 4-3 is that defenses are in nickel primarily... Really shows who doesn't understand what's going on in front of their own eyes.

Yes--the 4-2-5, basically as I understand it. I suppose you could also run a 3-3-5 configuration as well, which is rather rare right now.  We are so thin at DB right now, this scares me.