Vick's co-defendent shot @ Vick's Bday party

[Jangler]

So you hate the Polish now?

[Matt Foley]

I do, yes

She flirted with him, he said let's get some privacy. Then who knows? Did he push past her denials? Seems to me if he did and there was evidence of forced entry, he'd be in jail. Was there any? I believe (and admittedly I could be dead wrong here) that just like the Kobe situation, she felt used afterward and decided to make him pay.

[Matt Foley]

So white elitist QB's who rape girls are worse/not worse than Vick?

I don't know. I see a lot of similarities in the Kobe situation.

[Hawk]

She flirted with him, he said let's get some privacy. Then who knows? Did he push past her denials? Seems to me if he did and there was evidence of forced entry, he'd be in jail. Was there any? I believe (and admittedly I could be dead wrong here) that just like the Kobe situation, she felt used afterward and decided to make him pay.

the first girl, or the 2nd?!!!!

seems to me that one of his guards was posted in the hallway to keep her friends from checking in on her and that afterwards she said she told Ben to stop on multiple occasions.

Also...the girl that was with Kobe, celebrated her rape by going on and getting on with some other guy shortly afterwards....I don't know too many rape victims, but I'm pretty sure this is not the standard reaction!

[Wither]

She flirted with him, he said let's get some privacy. Then who knows? Did he push past her denials? Seems to me if he did and there was evidence of forced entry, he'd be in jail. Was there any? I believe (and admittedly I could be dead wrong here) that just like the Kobe situation, she felt used afterward and decided to make him pay.

Forced entry?

[Panthro]

Sorry but I'd be a bit more pissed if someone raped my gf, wife, or daughter than if they killed my dog.

[CarolinaKat]

Ya'll are a bunch of childish hypocrites. Say whatever you want it doesn't change that fact.

[Matt Foley]

the first girl, or the 2nd?!!!!

seems to me that one of his guards was posted in the hallway to keep her friends from checking in on her and that afterwards she said she told Ben to stop on multiple occasions.

Also...the girl that was with Kobe, celebrated her rape by going on and getting on with some other guy shortly afterwards....I don't know too many rape victims, but I'm pretty sure this is not the standard reaction!

It's not, if the first guy was a normal guy like you and me. If he was one of the top 10 athletes alive....girls have a thing for fame. Trust me, dude, I've been around pro athletes...I've seen the offers firsthand. I saw a girl throw herself at Drew Carter, who had maybe two touchdowns to his credit at the time, at a Caravan Tour once. She was kind of hot, too. He could have very easily took her somewhere for 20 minutes, given her what she came for and who knows what she'd say afterward?

Ben is a dumbass for putting himself in that situation after already having one made public. But I don't believe he grabbed her, threw her down and made her do things she never wanted to do.

[Hawk]

I totally agree with most of what you just said Meat, honestly I do. That being said, I think there's a pretty big jump from flirting/hanging out with a pro athlete and him having non consensual sex with the girl. I wasn't there, you weren't there, so we'll never really know for sure, probably!

[CharlotteBeer.com]

Sorry but I'd be a bit more pissed if someone raped my gf, wife, or daughter than if they killed my dog.

But a dog's love is unconditional, whereas a woman is bound to leave you! Ergo, vis a vis, concordantly, a woman deserves to be raped.

[Matt Foley]

I totally agree with most of what you just said Meat, honestly I do. That being said, I think there's a pretty big jump from flirting/hanging out with a pro athlete and him having non consensual sex with the girl. I wasn't there, you weren't there, so we'll never really know for sure, probably!

Yep. Just to finish out the thought...so many of these women throw themselves at these guys, it's really hard for them to see them the way you and I do. You and I are thinking "man, if a hot woman threw herself at me I'd drive her home, offer to see her again and buy her a meal." These guys aren't the chasERs, they're the chasEEs. I bet you Ben barely even remembers the girls who made the accusations. He's probably gone somewhere private with 100 girls just like them.

[88 Bronco]

Ya'll are a bunch of childish hypocrites. Say whatever you want it doesn't change that fact.

I'm not a hypocrite. I care more about an animal that displays loyalty and care over one that is deceitful and selfish. I think we should find homes for all the stray dogs and use homeless people and welfare recipients as fuel.

[Jangler]

smh

[The Saltman]

I'm not a hypocrite. I care more about an animal that displays loyalty and care over one that is deceitful and selfish. I think we should find homes for all the stray dogs and use homeless people and welfare recipients as fuel.

i like your plan.