Darin Gnatt thinks Kenny Moore will replace Smitty at the start of camp

[pantherclaw]

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Thats your snappy comeback?

Between the two...Who's played more on field minutes?

Trying to use Colbert to bash Jarrett is like saying your AIDS is better then my Herpes

Snappy comeback?

Look jr, this isn't Friday night improv.

Colbert had to step up, or he wouldn't have played either. He actually earned a spot on the team for a few more years.

Jarrett hasn't been held back by a great receiver in front of him. Just an old vet that is a true professional. Jarrett has had plenty of time to step up and show up. The fact that smith brokke his arm gives jarrett yet another chance upon chances to show the nfl he belongs.

I understand you like him. I understand you still have hope for him. I still have hope for the dude too, but that doesn't keep me from being reaalistic about this.

Now why don't you go try some more of your snappy comebacks with your lil brother while the rest of us talk football.

[PantherDude]

About Colbert...You can't be serious? Colbert actually play'd and sucked

During his rookie season, he didn't suck at all. Didn't he has like 800 yards & several TDs in a season as a rookie? That is quite impressive for a rookie WR. Sure Colbert suck now (he is a one year wonder for sure), but I'm refering to how he was a rookie compare to Jarrett's years here.

Jarrett see's one 3rd down pass in 4 games and you compare the two in production while on the field?

Yes, I did. Colbert got more reps than Jarrett when he was a rookie because he was better. If you don't improve, your coach isn't going to use you much as we seen before.

At no point did Colbert look good no matter who the QB was.

Actually, you're wrong. Like I said before along with others, he look the best in his rookie season than Jarrett could ever do no matter how much you deny Colbert was never good. Watch some of his rookie highlights & get back to me on that.

Kerry Culbert had half a good year back when Smith broke his team and thats it.

Broke his team? What the hell are you talking about there?? But the point still stand that Colbert would've probably still be that good in his rookie season if Smitty was never out. We'll never know, but at least we should credit where it done on what we all saw happend.

This is the first time Jarrett has been given the same chace as Colbert....So we'll see

Yes, we'll see. But I'm not getting my hope up with how LaFell & Edwards could do better than him.

[Ohio]

My question is why did we release Drew Carter? This man got better every single year, and he definately would be the #2 guy on this years team, without question

[PantherBob]

I like how theres some silly people left still trying to defend Jake. If you don't think Delhomme as the main reason the passing game has sucked atleast the last three years, I won't call u names. I'll just say your as wrong as three left feet. If you feel hate is a strong word thats your personal opinion, But that also means you haven't been reading what your fellow posters have said.

Someone earlier said Jake made Culbert look good. That might have been the funniest thing i've seen all day. ya'll complain and complain about how slow Jarrett is. But I pointed to Muhammed and another poster pointed the finger at Rice. There are plenty of fast people in the league, and half can't hang on to the ball after getting hit. Kenny Moore? Ya'll can't be serious

No one was defending Jake. You were using him as a scape goat to defend Jarett. DJ deserves full responsibility for his lack of production no matter how bad Jake was last year.

If you think that posters comments were funny wait to hear you this one. Colbert had 6 TDs more than Jarrett in his first 3 seasons and nearly triple the amount of yards too. Thats with the same terrible QB that you claim ruined DJs career. Isnt that hilarious?

[CarolinaKat]

Now why don't you go try some more of your snappy comebacks with your lil brother while the rest of us talk football.

Now thats a little childish to try and bring my family into your pitiful attempt at being mean, witty, whatever it was it didn't help your prove anything little girl.:nono:

Now with that nonsense out the way I will try to address everyone at once, No offense, just saves time. Jake is a scapegoat by his own design. I never said Jake is the sole reason Jarrett hasn't been productive. Colbert play'd because there was no one in front of him. No old vet , just him and Steve. He started off as the #2, They made a point to get him the ball, But he did nothing till Smith broke his leg. Leg, by the way not team. I'm new, I have no idea how to go back and edit, excuse me word police. Using Colberts half season production to Jarrett is a shanky leg to stand on. Yip yap, about how much better Colbert was, Jarrett is still playing football ( with the team that drafted him ). Colbert is outside Harris Teeter selling oranges.

What did I miss? Who cares back to how much Colbert sucked...Seriously...You talk about half of his rookie season like that matters. What did he do any year after that? He had half a good season in the spotlight, please let go of the stick and leave that dead horse alone.

and Kenny Moore sucks.....

[KillerKat]

Colbert sucked worse than Jarrett. The only reason he had a good rookie year was because Smith was out and he caught passes when teams were doubling Moose. After that, he was trash.

Jarrett's work ethic has been called out publicly and he was benched in favor of Kenny Moore and Charly Martin 3/4 of last season. Jake also had been going downhill since 2006, so you can't say he wasn't a factor (also Carr and Testaverde were our QBs in '07). Those reasons and the fact the FO drafted 2 WRs as our "Muhammad" type receivers are why I highly doubt Jarrett will be here this season.

And if Kenny Moore sucks, why did he play more than Jarrett last season and is going to start while Smith is out? He will most likely make the team as our backup to Smith this season. Which is also another reason why I doubt Jarrett will be playing with us this season.

I do believe Jake was the biggest reason though (along with Carr and Testaverde), but the drafting of Lafell and Gettis I think pretty much sealed his fate.

[PantherDude]

Colbert sucked worse than Jarrett.

:lol:

[pantherclaw]

Lol I'm childish and mean, yet you the one throwing around grade school insults.

Now thats a little childish to try and bring my family into your pitiful attempt at being mean, witty, whatever it was it didn't help your prove anything little girl.:nono:

Now with that nonsense out the way I will try to address everyone at once, No offense, just saves time. Jake is a scapegoat by his own design. I never said Jake is the sole reason Jarrett hasn't been productive. Colbert play'd because there was no one in front of him. No old vet , just him and Steve. He started off as the #2, They made a point to get him the ball, But he did nothing till Smith broke his leg. Leg, by the way not team. I'm new, I have no idea how to go back and edit, excuse me word police. Using Colberts half season production to Jarrett is a shanky leg to stand on. Yip yap, about how much better Colbert was, Jarrett is still playing football ( with the team that drafted him ). Colbert is outside Harris Teeter selling oranges.

What did I miss? Who cares back to how much Colbert sucked...Seriously...You talk about half of his rookie season like that matters. What did he do any year after that? He had half a good season in the spotlight, please let go of the stick and leave that dead horse alone.

and Kenny Moore sucks.....

if colbert didn't step up, he wouldn't have made that impact. Now you and others are trying to say colbert only made his catches due to the attention moose got. Moose never got the attention steve smith does. Fact is, colbert has out played jarrett, and its not even close. You can explain it away until you are blue in the face and still not have a leg to stand on.

[CarolinaKat]

And if Kenny Moore sucks, why did he play more than Jarrett last season and is going to start while Smith is out?

Honestly, Kenny Moore is starting because there is no one else who will know the system better at the start of training camp. Absolute only reason Moore is starting. But I will backtrack a little and say maybe Kenny doesn't suck. I haven't seen enough of him to know that. But what I've seen i'm clearly not impressed by.

[necroplasm]

At least Jarrett can catch the ball in traffic...he has the size to. Jarrett did well when thrown to. I think without Moose, Jarrett will step up. I have no faith in Kenny Moore lol...we'll see though.

[SorthNarolina]

Pwning me on the internet is a funny concept. I'm not on this site enough to care. I didn't have time before to disagree, maybe I should have waited. You know to keep from getting internet pwned.

very sorry about the pwning, I don't like that word and I don't even understand it.

About the passing game: I picked three years because thats when I personally remember it going downhill. '07, yes Jake was hurt, but did our backups do anything? I remember saying passing game sucked not just Jake. But he was the one driving us into a ditch ( or turnover )

I remember you saying that the main reason the passing game sucked at least the last 3 years was because of Jake. I didn't really see that in 07.

"08-"09 Jake, You agreed with me, Jarretts lack of speed you agreed with me.

mmhmm

About Moose coming back...Who was the Bears QB? Muhsin Muhammad once called Chicago the place receivers go to die, I honestly would expect him to have a better year back home in a familar system with a familar QB...and?

Moose actually left when Dan Henning was the OC and came back when Jeff Davidson was running the show. Similar philosophies but not the exact same system. I think you're right that having a familar QB helps. But Johnson and Prohel wern't familar with JAke and they didn't have dropoff either.

Keyshawn Johnson, Ricky Prohel two more slow guys that did well on this team so again you agreed with me. Jerry Rice's name only came up because he's not fast but is in the HOF. If you read what I said, cant see how u understood anything else.

I don't get this issue with speed. It's just a red herring to avoid all of his problems. Speed isn't Jarrett's problem, it's all the other things he does poorly that I listed.

Now finally about Jarrett. Whatever Jarrett's mental or effort problems his first few years, The coaches never gave him a chance on the field.

So you think Jarrett should see the field even when he's not putting in the effort or digesting the playbook? You have to actually earn the chance, to get a chance. You are determined to blame anybody but Jarrett for his problems.

All i care about is what i see on sunday. If your a WR, I want to see how often you catch the ball, bad pass or not, and how often you drop it. Jarrett can catch, Period Not one of you know for sure Jarrett is so slow or can't run his route to get open.

Actually most of the people on here are. I don't know how you can say that you watch the games on sunday and not see that. He did this comeback route last year that was abysmal, i think it created an INT. There is far more to being an NFL caliber receiver than speed and hands.

But supposely Kenny Moore can? when Kenny Moore replaced Jarrett he still didn't see the field. When he was on the field what exactly did he do to make so many peoples panties wet? I clearly missed it

The key word is "replaced". Kenny Moore replaced Jarrett because the coaches were tired of watching Jarrett flounder around doing nothing. That's why they started giving Martin and Moore chances over Jarrett. They were actually putting the work in and improving. Do you think they really want their 2nd round pick to stay on the bench?

[SorthNarolina]

About Colbert...You can't be serious? Colbert actually play'd and sucked...Jarrett see's one 3rd down pass in 4 games and you compare the two in production while on the field? At no point did Colbert look good no matter who the QB was. Kerry Culbert had half a good year back when Smith broke his team and thats it. This is the first time Jarrett has been given the same chace as Colbert....So we'll see

One reason Keary Colbert got to start was because depth was so poor. Once Jarrett got here he still couldn't beat him out. We'll see what happens. I sure hope he does well but I can't even begin to understand why people put up such a strong defense for him. He hasn't shown any sign of improvement or that he's ready to be an NFL caliber receiver. He has very nice hands, but that's just a small piece of the puzzle.

[SorthNarolina]

Honestly, Kenny Moore is starting because there is no one else who will know the system better at the start of training camp. Absolute only reason Moore is starting. But I will backtrack a little and say maybe Kenny doesn't suck. I haven't seen enough of him to know that. But what I've seen i'm clearly not impressed by.

Kenny Moore has been here for a shorter time than Jarrett. Shouldn't Jarrett know the system better?

[SorthNarolina]

My question is why did we release Drew Carter? This man got better every single year, and he definately would be the #2 guy on this years team, without question

He was having injury problems. He actually was very impressive in the raiders TV until he got hurt. It's a shame. He couldn't catch very well either but he was getting better.