Is Matt Moore a starter and can the defense survive without Pepppers???

[monstercat]

Of course Bradford is not ready to play! That's my point. He's playing because business is business in the NFL. Yes they paid him a lot of money, because he will fill seats and market the franchise. The better player was Suh all along.

Steve Smith and Julius Peppers are good receivers on a team without a premier quarterback. Did any casual pro football fans really know or care what Larry Fitzgerald or Anquan Boldin were doing before Kurt Warner came to town? Same thing in Carolina, so yes I think Jimmy Clausen can do the trick whenever it makes sense for him to get his shot.

Dude, Boldin and Fitz were getting attention before Warner was the starter in Arizona, in fact, Boldin was one of the best WR's in the league as a rookie. If I'm not mistaken, McCown was actually his QB that year.

Whatever though. If we want to fill the seats and get more media attention, we need to win, and if Matt Moore succeeds, he will make a name for himself just like Kurt Warner did...by earning it.

[pantherclaw]

I would argue that Moore doesn't have enough experience to be called "experienced" and therefore if they are all good you go with Clausen as a name brand franchise QB who is will bring more media attention and inevitably revenue to the franchise. Of course, they won't all be good and the best player will eventually win out...

Moore has 3 years in the pros.

3 years in the same system.

Has started many regular season games....

Leading the team to victories while showing good decision making, and taking care of the ball.

You have no argument. None.

[panthers55]

As far as Moore goes, lightyears ahead of Clausen and Pike is like saying AJ Feeley is light years ahead of Bradford. I guess these college QBs can time travel because Bradford will be starting asap without ever having faced an NFL defense. Part of it is experience but a big part is business.

There is a big difference between AJ Feeley who has been in the league for 10 years and has a total of 15 starts and Moore who is starting his fourth year and has 8 starts. Feeley is a career backup who is actually 33 years old and last started for a team in 2007 for 3 games. He has a career passer rating of 69 and has thrown 27 TDs and 29 Ints.

Moore on the other hand played in 5 games last year, has a career passer rating of 84.5, has thrown 11 TDs versus 7 Ints and is just coming into his own. In fact Moore looks like Tony Romo when Romo came into the league.

Bradford has to beat out a career backup who is warming the postion until he is ready. Clausen has to beat the starter who played at a very high level last year. Bradford will be getting 12-14 million per year to play while Clausen will make less than 5 million a year. Actually the analogy between the players you mentioned are like comparing apples and oranges.

[monstercat]

The bottom line, is that it's much smarter to let QB's develop, if you have a choice. Just ask David Carr and the Texans how far that "brand name" will take you if you throw a rookie QB to the wolves and kill his confidence. They lost much more than they ever gained from that decision.

[Jpjr]

Dude, Boldin and Fitz were getting attention before Warner was the starter in Arizona, in fact, Boldin was one of the best WR's in the league as a rookie. If I'm not mistaken, McCown was actually his QB that year.

Whatever though. If we want to fill the seats and get more media attention, we need to win, and if Matt Moore succeeds, he will make a name for himself just like Kurt Warner did...by earning it.

Cardinals got zero attention before Warner arrived, and he is credited for turning that team into a winner, not their receivers. Just like Farve was credited with taking the Vikings deep into the playoffs. Percy Harvin had a great season (when he was healthy) but no one is saying he was the difference maker.

[monstercat]

Cardinals got zero attention before Warner arrived, and he is credited for turning that team into a winner, not their receivers. Just like Farve was credited with taking the Vikings deep into the playoffs. Percy Harvin had a great season (when he was healthy) but no one is saying he was the difference maker.

OK...explain to me how the Texans came out ahead by putting David Carr's brand name on the field right away. How did the Lions come out ahead by throwing Joey Harrington to the wolves? How did the Raiders do with the JaMarcus Russell brand? How about Ryan Leaf and the Chargers back in the day? I can go on and on with examples of how your way can easily backfire and end up costing much more than what it will cost the Panthers to put a proven commodity like Matt Moore on the field while they let Clausen learn and grow from the sidelines.

This is a no brainer, whether you're looking at it from a business perspective or a football perspective.

[Jpjr]

The bottom line, is that it's much smarter to let QB's develop, if you have a choice. Just ask David Carr and the Texans how far that "brand name" will take you if you throw a rookie QB to the wolves and kill his confidence. They lost much more than they ever gained from that decision.

This is a popular talking point but isn't necessarily true. Name one second year QB in the league that is more valuable to thier team right now than Mark Sanchez or Matthew Stafford. You can make the same argument at every level. Kids start in college fresh out of high school all the time and turn out to be very successful.

Moore deserves to start Game 1. The best QB on the team deserves to start Game 2. If it's Moore, great. If not, great.

[Jpjr]

OK...explain to me how the Texans came out ahead by putting David Carr's brand name on the field right away. How did the Lions come out ahead by throwing Joey Harrington to the wolves? How did the Raiders do with the JaMarcus Russell brand? How about Ryan Leaf and the Chargers back in the day? I can go on and on with examples of how your way can easily backfire and end up costing much more than what it will cost the Panthers to put a proven commodity like Matt Moore on the field while they let Clausen learn and grow from the sidelines.

This is a no brainer, whether you're looking at it from a business perspective or a football perspective.

How did the Colts do?

[monstercat]

How did the Colts do?

They sucked ass in Peyton Manning's rookie season, so what's your point? Would you be happier going 3-13 as long as they start Clausen?

[pantherclaw]

He's just going to throw random opinions out there, thinking they will stick, and backup his weak argument.

[monstercat]

He's just going to throw random opinions out there, thinking they will stick, and backup his weak argument.

Yeah, but it's fun.

BTW, I don't understand why Jimmy Clausen's name would sell more tickets in the first place. Aside from ND fans, most people have never liked him. Hell, I probably still wouldn't like him if he wasn't a Panther. In fact, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they sell more Armanti Edwards jerseys than Clausen jerseys.

[Jpjr]

They sucked ass in Peyton Manning's rookie season, so what's your point? Would you be happier going 3-13 as long as they start Clausen?

I framed it the way you did, but what it really meant was "How did Peyton Manning do?"

The point again is that there are plenty of examples of rookie quarterbacks who succeed in the NFL. For every Ryan Leaf there is a Peyton Manning (same draft). The argument that a rookie is better off sitting is compelling but just an opinion.

[Jpjr]

Yeah, but it's fun.

BTW, I don't understand why Jimmy Clausen's name would sell more tickets in the first place. Aside from ND fans, most people have never liked him. Hell, I probably still wouldn't like him if he wasn't a Panther. In fact, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they sell more Armanti Edwards jerseys than Clausen jerseys.

It is fun. Good debate.

This is also a bit off the mark in my opinion. A lot of people might not like Clausen but almost anyone who knows something about football has an opinion on him... good or bad it all equals espn highlights and ratings. He got as much attention during the draft as Bradford or any other player, to the point where he was on the cover of ESPN magazine the week of the draft. Who has an opinion on Matt Moore but Carolina fans and hardcore NFL fans? In fact if you think about it, Clausen has started at least 30 more games than Moore has on national TV. From a business perspective the Panthers are probably praying the Clausen breaks out because I assure you they would love nothing more than a name brand QB if they can play.

[CarolinaKat]

Those that actually seen Clausen play. Who has the better arm Moore or Clausen?