Testing Huddle Consensus

[flagfootballcoach28]

7 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Of course he's an ILB. That's what his position would be here. 

To take an ILB at #8, he better be a transcended player like a Luke Kuechly. Jalon Walker is not in that stratosphere. The value just isn’t there. There’s a handful of ILB like Barrett Carter, Demetrius Knight Jr, Chris Paul Jr that will be available in third round I really like and would present way better value. At #8? Give me a Will Johnson, Tet, Warren over a hybrid LB. 

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

To take an ILB at #8, he better be a transcended player like a Luke Kuechly. Jalon Walker is not in that stratosphere. The value just isn’t there. There’s a handful of ILB like Barrett Carter, Demetrius Knight Jr, Chris Paul Jr that will be available in third round I really like and would present way better value. At #8? Give me a Will Johnson, Tet, Warren over a hybrid LB. 

He's not a hybrid. There are 4 defensive players in the top 10 are a DE/edge, DT/DE, ILB/DE, and a Corner. The first 2 will not make it to us. The ILB will be picked before the corner. 

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[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

He's not a hybrid. There are the 4 defensive players in the top 10 are a DE/edge, DT/DE, ILB/DE, and a Corner. The first 2 will not make it to us. The ILB will be picked before the corner. 

they are trolling on purpose, nobody can be this dense, at least I hope not

[flagfootballcoach28]

13 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

He's not a hybrid. There are 4 defensive players in the top 10 are a DE/edge, DT/DE, ILB/DE, and a Corner. The first 2 will not make it to us. The ILB will be picked before the corner. 

He definitely is a hybrid. 1st down- 5 yards off the ball ILB. Passing situations- edge. That’s the proper way to use him. UGA even used him as a hybrid. We must have different definitions. I like Walker. I think he’s a good player. I just think there’s better options at #8. Only time will tell.

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[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

He definitely is a hybrid. 1st down- 5 yards off the ball, mainly because of his size. 2/3rd- edge. UGA even used him as a hybrid. We must have different definitions. 

That's Georgia. How he's used in the nfl may or may not mirror how Georgia used him. Regardless of how you or I see him he's the 3rd ranked defensive player in the draft behind only Carter and Graham. Take that how you will.

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[tukafan21]

8 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

He's not a hybrid. There are 4 defensive players in the top 10 are a DE/edge, DT/DE, ILB/DE, and a Corner. The first 2 will not make it to us. The ILB will be picked before the corner. 

How can you say he's an ILB but not a hybrid, when the reason he's moving up draft boards is because of his pass rushing ability?

Maybe he's an ILB in a 4-3 who pass rushes more often than not, but to me, that's more of what a 3-4 OLB is, which is also why so many view him as a hybrid, as he's a pass rusher stuck in a MLB's body, which can work just fine in college, but it doesn't always translate to the NFL, and even when it does, it generally takes a few years for them to find their footing.

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

How can you say he's an ILB but not a hybrid, when the reason he's moving up draft boards is because of his pass rushing ability?

Maybe he's an ILB in a 4-3 who pass rushes more often than not, but to me, that's more of what a 3-4 OLB is, which is also why so many view him as a hybrid, as he's a pass rusher stuck in a MLB's body, which can work just fine in college, but it doesn't always translate to the NFL, and even when it does, it generally takes a few years for them to find their footing.

still waiting on all those mock drafts that show him going in the 2nd

 

******hint - go to your history and search for these said mock drafts, I will wait

 

your words

Love how the consensus on here is a player I've regularly seen fall into the 2nd round in mock drafts but everyone here is sold on him at #8.

 

I don't see any of the other "projected Top 10" guys falling into the 2nd in any mocks, sure maybe some fall into the mid teens or even early 20's, but that's the furthest I think I've seen any of them fall.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, tukafan21 said:

How can you say he's an ILB but not a hybrid, when the reason he's moving up draft boards is because of his pass rushing ability?

Maybe he's an ILB in a 4-3 who pass rushes more often than not, but to me, that's more of what a 3-4 OLB is, which is also why so many view him as a hybrid, as he's a pass rusher stuck in a MLB's body, which can work just fine in college, but it doesn't always translate to the NFL, and even when it does, it generally takes a few years for them to find their footing.

Do you have evidence that a player of his size and skillset cannot make it in the nfl? Because so far all you shown is your own opinion. The same tropes we said about Parsons before he was drafted. Listen, I don't care whether he's the pick or not but everything you're saying is complete hogwash.

[tukafan21]

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

still waiting on all those mock drafts that show him going in the 2nd

 

******hint - go to your history and search for these said mock drafts, I will wait

 

your words

Love how the consensus on here is a player I've regularly seen fall into the 2nd round in mock drafts but everyone here is sold on him at #8.

 

I don't see any of the other "projected Top 10" guys falling into the 2nd in any mocks, sure maybe some fall into the mid teens or even early 20's, but that's the furthest I think I've seen any of them fall.

who doesn't regularly clear their cache/history?

I also don't bookmark every mock draft I see that supports an opinion on a player I don't want so I can use it later, nor am I going to waste any time finding them when I've even said it's not all or even most, just that I'm still seeing him fall that far in some mocks.  And either way, the link you provided had just as many 18th or later (with a bunch in the late 20's or early 30's) mocks than 8th or higher, which still proves the same point about the polarization of him with scouts, which is all I've been trying to say anyways.

He's a tweener with a low floor and only one year of good college performance, just not the type of player I'm taking the risk on with our depleted roster right now, not hard to understand.  Teams already on the edge of playoff contention are who should be taking those type of risks in the 1st round, that's not us.

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[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

who doesn't regularly clear their cache/history?

I also don't bookmark every mock draft I see that supports an opinion on a player I don't want so I can use it later.

He's a tweener with a low floor and only one year of good college performance, just not the type of player I'm taking the risk on with our depleted roster right now, not hard to understand.  Teams already on the edge of playoff contention are who should be taking those type of risks in the 1st round, that's not us.

good thing you clear your nfl mock draft history, your wife may find it and go ballistic.  Good advice

 

But please just link one mock draft where he goes in the second, this shouldnt be hard since you have seen numerous examples

[flagfootballcoach28]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

good thing you clear your nfl mock draft history, your wife may find it and go ballistic.  Good advice

 

But please just link one mock draft where he goes in the second, this shouldnt be hard since you have seen numerous examples

Ignore this guy. This keyboard warrior would rather focus on “got ya” moments than actually have a healthy debate about a player. Tbh I’m surprised he hasn’t been banned yet. Dude is either a troll or has serious mental health issues.  But tbh, I’ve also seen mocks of Jalon Walker in the 2nd. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

Ignore this guy. This keyboard warrior would rather focus on “got ya” moments than actually have a healthy debate about a player. Tbh I’m surprised he hasn’t been banned yet. Dude is either a troll or has serious mental health issues.  But tbh, I’ve also seen mocks of Jalon Walker in the 2nd. 

by all means link said mocks of walker in the 2nd.

 

ill wait

 

unless you cleared your history as well

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[Basbear]

1 hour ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

How many of you Jalon Walker truthers have actually watched full game tape on him? Just curious? I have. Multiple games. As an edge, he is very poor against the run, has a hard time holding his ground. Gets bullied by the 6’5 300 pound lineman once they get their hands on him because he’s only around 6’1 and naturally a smaller guy compared to other edges. Can he rush the passer? Yes, at times. But at this rate he’s an ILB who can rush on occasion because of his run defense liability. I don’t think you draft that at #8. Sorry. I’ll pass. 

 

 

Bro you are missing a huge part of the draft ranking- projections and upside.

Walker is nuclear off charts for those two key points. 

[flagfootballcoach28]

15 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

 

Bro you are missing a huge part of the draft ranking- projections and upside.

Walker is nuclear off charts for those two key points. 

How will projections and upside make him grow 3 inches taller? Again, I like Walker. Just not at 8. Too much of a tweener. That's coming from a guy who has watched a lot of his game film, not just his highlight tapes. I like my top 10 picks to have the proper physical traits. As Bill Parcels said “Big men win you football games” I’d like to stay away from the exceptions, not the rule. I’d rather just sign a guy like Nick Bolton in FA to play ILB even if we have to overpay a little bit. He would be perfect  

Ideally, we need  a pure edge at #8. There is no edge prospect at 8 that is worth the pick. It would be a major reach So, then what? Daft BPA at a position that makes sense for the team. Johnson, Tet, Warren would be those guys in my opinion. 
 

But since the Panthers always draft on potential and upside, I fully expect Jalon Walker to be the pick. If so, I hope he becomes a stud. I’ll gladly eat my crow if he turns out to be the player a lot of you think he will become. At the end of the day, I just want to see this team win.