Testing Huddle Consensus

[Jon Snow]

Just now, MHS831 said:

It is almost, in some minds, a toss up between Green and Pearce for the second edge, but the more I read about and watch video of Pearce, the more I like him.  Green is a stud as well.

I'm currently at a loss as to where they may go with this pick. I think I will save my predictions until after FA. If I had to make a prediction right now I would say a defensive player. 

[CarolinaLivin]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

So I am guessing Warren TE is not even under consideration for you.

I don't see it as a likely pick unless it is in a trade-back scenario honestly. But as always, i could be wrong here. Im just not considering him as a pick. Especially with how DM is talking, which could be all smoke screens/GM talk.

[Icege]

13 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Interesting. We are not talking safeties--and we all know how a stud can change the defense (Ed Reid, Troy Polyester from Pittsburgh)  I guess we need a S with a great beard or a great head of hair. 

Seriously, S is pretty deep in this draft class.  I expect one on day 1 or 2.

With only Demani Richardson and Ja'Tavion Sanders under contract in both rooms, an underwhelming free agent class, and the positional importance to our defensive/offensive schemes respectively I wouldn't be surprised to see them both selected before day 3.

This time of the year is brutal for draftniks... just a lot of handwringing and re-watching film while we wait to see what teams do once free agency begins. The QB carousel alone is going to play a huge influence on how the draft pans out.

[MHS831]

14 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

Panthers HC Dave Canales lists team’s top 3 needs for 2025 offseason

Not sure if he was putting the needs in order but S was mentioned second when asked about top 3 needs

There are some good ones in Free Agency right now--Prices are as high as $17m--realistically, a player like the Colts' Blackmon (who plays deep free safety really well) should cost around $7m, according to Spotrac.   SF's S Hufanga is the practical vet I would like--26 and his salary is predicted to be $11.9m.  I would think we could add one of these and then draft a S and we could be better than last season.  I worry that Evero's defense puts too much pressure on safeties for run support--we have had some decent players flop here.

[CarolinaLivin]

8 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

There are some good ones in Free Agency right now--Prices are as high as $17m--realistically, a player like the Colts' Blackmon (who plays deep free safety really well) should cost around $7m, according to Spotrac.   SF's S Hufanga is the practical vet I would like--26 and his salary is predicted to be $11.9m.  I would think we could add one of these and then draft a S and we could be better than last season.  I worry that Evero's defense puts too much pressure on safeties for run support--we have had some decent players flop here.

Very curious to see how we attack free agency. They don't seem like they are gearing up to attack FA like they did last year as far as spending the kind of money they did. I think if they were they wouldn't be open to letting moton's contract ride out. They would be doing some restructures, extensions to gather as much money as possible. I think they want to continue to get young. Obviously, this is all speculation. I think they will attack the DL, just not exactly how they did OL last year. Feel free to correct me in my thinking here, always love the insight/thoughts of others.

[MHS831]

9 minutes ago, Icege said:

With only Demani Richardson and Ja'Tavion Sanders under contract in both rooms, an underwhelming free agent class, and the positional importance to our defensive/offensive schemes respectively I wouldn't be surprised to see them both selected before day 3.

This time of the year is brutal for draftniks... just a lot of handwringing and re-watching film while we wait to see what teams do once free agency begins. The QB carousel alone is going to play a huge influence on how the draft pans out.

I am guessing that Cam Ward goes 1 or 2 and Carter goes 2 or 1. It is possible that Hunter goes third.  That would throw Sanders into the Aaron Rodgers free fall alert status. It seems that the Giants have no choice but to take Sanders--but if they like another QB better--like Dart or Will Howard (I am still predicting that Howard continues to creep up boards) they could trade back and still get Dart or Howard or Ewers. NY fans would probably want  GM Joe Schoen's head, but I sense bust in Sanders.   Personally, I would not take Sanders if I needed a QB.  He projects a vibe that he is entitled--better than he is, and his father would be loud and critical if things went any way but the Sanders way, and he is, according to a few articles I read, pursuing a career in music.  Lotta potential noise there.  As a "common" player in college, I would resent the fact that some players are making millions.  Sanders had a towel with a gold buffa---oops---dollar sign embroidered on it.  Almost reminds me of Brian Bosworth coming out of Oklahoma some 40 years ago--lotta hype, lotta self promotion--bust.  Again, just the vibe I am getting.  I think only a desperate team like one of  the NY franchises will take him early.  Cleveland?  Carter or Hunter, depending on what happens with Garrett there.

Someone is going to trade up to get an OT.

I see the Titans trading out of the #1 pick if they can get a taker--the Giants come to mind.

Not sure what this rambling bit of stream of consciousness proved, but I am going to hit "submit reply" now.

[MHS831]

14 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

Very curious to see how we attack free agency. They don't seem like they are gearing up to attack FA like they did last year as far as spending the kind of money they did. I think if they were they wouldn't be open to letting moton's contract ride out. They would be doing some restructures, extensions to gather as much money as possible. I think they want to continue to get young. Obviously, this is all speculation. I think they will attack the DL, just not exactly how they did OL last year. Feel free to correct me in my thinking here, always love the insight/thoughts of others.

Glad you brought this up.  My thinking (as you say, speculation) they were able to sign 2 major free agent guards last year and it had the same value as signing a new QB.  I think they will sign a big name DT free agent.  I love Milton Williams (Eagles) and his salary is projected at $12m.  He is 26.  Had a 70 PFF score and 40 pressures on 500 snaps.  If Philly does not re-sign him, I bet we go after him hard.

[MHS831]

51 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

I don't see it as a likely pick unless it is in a trade-back scenario honestly. But as always, i could be wrong here. Im just not considering him as a pick. Especially with how DM is talking, which could be all smoke screens/GM talk.

I am not a fan of taking a TE in top 10 unless it is Brock Bowers who was drafted 13th.  Atlanta tried it.  I think he will go late first. (20th or so)

[Icege]

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I am not a fan of taking a TE in top 10 unless it is Brock Bowers who was drafted 13th.  Atlanta tried it.  I think he will go late first. (20th or so)

Brett Kollman tweeted at the beginning of the year that he would not besmirch anyone that has as high of a grade on Warren as they did Bowers.

The kid is nasty.

Having trouble getting tweets to convert so can just post links for rn...

https://x.com/CoachDanCasey/status/1870539968860574190 - Warren blocking an SMU defender through the endzone

https://x.com/NFL_DF/status/1880275194197209207 - Some highlights while also showing how he cleaned up some drops issues that he had the season prior

https://x.com/RayGQue/status/1894383545260380541 - Every 15+ yard reception he had from all types of alignments

https://x.com/maxtoscano1/status/1893011848477229368 - Breaks away from a DB with 4.4 speed from the wildcat.

 

[jayboogieman]

15 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I smell a little smoke there--stay tuned. 

Smoke? Since when under Tepper has this team not tipped their hands way ahead of the draft?

[jayboogieman]

11 minutes ago, Icege said:

Brett Kollman tweeted at the beginning of the year that he would not besmirch anyone that has as high of a grade on Warren as they did Bowers.

The kid is nasty.

Having trouble getting tweets to convert so can just post links for rn...

https://x.com/CoachDanCasey/status/1870539968860574190 - Warren blocking an SMU defender through the endzone

https://x.com/NFL_DF/status/1880275194197209207 - Some highlights while also showing how he cleaned up some drops issues that he had the season prior

https://x.com/RayGQue/status/1894383545260380541 - Every 15+ yard reception he had from all types of alignments

https://x.com/maxtoscano1/status/1893011848477229368 - Breaks away from a DB with 4.4 speed from the wildcat.

 

Warren is a nasty dude, but I don't know if I'd say he's on the same level as Bowers. He's close though.

[CarolinaLivin]

21 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I am not a fan of taking a TE in top 10 unless it is Brock Bowers who was drafted 13th.  Atlanta tried it.  I think he will go late first. (20th or so)

I think for Pitts people use him as an example without truly looking into it. Sure he only had 1 TD his rookie year but he also had 1k yards his rookie year (2021). I would say that’s a good start. Then 2022 happened and he tore his MCL and PCL. He just hasn’t been the same guy following that injury. Lost a lot of explosiveness and just hasn’t been the same guy. I just don’t think we can fault the Falcons for an unexpected freak injury. No one can predict these kind of injuries. 
 

Not trying to fight for Pitts or use this as a reason to draft warren. Ultimately it is a wasted pick for ATL regardless. Just adding a little context.

[Icege]

11 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Warren is a nasty dude, but I don't know if I'd say he's on the same level as Bowers. He's close though.

His game against USC imo was better than Bowers' best... and to say that I was high on Bowers is an understatement. Warren is a better blocker that I believe (hope?) won't need the usual spin-up times that TEs need.

Final stat line from Warren vs. USC... 17 catches for 224yds, 1 rcv TD, 1 rushing attempt for 4yds, 1 COMPLETION for 9yds (lol). Averaged 13.2yds.

He had a fun game vs. Purdue as well. Those two games sold me on him in the top 10.

Edited 2 hours ago by Icege

[jayboogieman]

7 minutes ago, Icege said:

His game against USC imo was better than Bowers' best... and to say that I was high on Bowers is an understatement. Warren is a better blocker that I believe (hope?) won't need the usual spin-up times that TEs need.

Final stat line from Warren vs. USC... 17 catches for 224yds, 1 rcv TD, 1 rushing attempt for 4yds, 1 COMPLETION for 9yds (lol). Averaged 13.2yds.

He had a fun game vs. Purdue as well. Those two games sold me on him in the top 10.

I'm fine with taking Warren in the top ten. As I've said before, I think he's one of the few game changers in the top of the draft. That said, I don't think the Panthers will pull the trigger.