Testing Huddle Consensus

[jfra78]

33 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I need to wait until the combine.... I heard jalon will not be doing drills due to a injury.

 

I read he might not be a full participant.  I hope he doesn't do a weigh in, come in 10 pounds heavier and not participate.  That would give off BY vibes.  

[tukafan21]

Love how the consensus on here is a player I've regularly seen fall into the 2nd round in mock drafts but everyone here is sold on him at #8.

I'm not saying he will or should fall to the 2nd, but it shows how drastically different opinions are on him, just not the type of prospect (position/player aside) that I'd like to see us take in the Top 10, we can't keep taking risks on low floor uber high ceiling type of guys, it's how we keep putting ourselves behind the 8 ball in building out our roster

Edited 10 hours ago by tukafan21

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Love how the consensus on here is a player I've regularly seen fall into the 2nd round in mock drafts but everyone here is sold on him at #8.

I'm not saying he will or should fall to the 2nd, but it shows how drastically different opinions are on him, just not the type of prospect (position/player aside) that I'd like to see us take in the Top 10, we can't keep taking risks on low floor uber high ceiling type of guys, it's how we keep putting ourselves behind the 8 ball in building out our roster

Just your opinion 

[tukafan21]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Just your opinion 

Well duh, everything is an opinion on here.

But I'm not talking about the player (and before anyone says it, no, it's not about T-mac either), I'm talking about risk vs reward and we can't keep taking the massive risks in the first few rounds of the draft.

I'd rather reach on a player with a higher floor but lower ceiling, or trade down, than take such a raw prospect who's success is going to be more dependent on how well we'll coach them up vs how good they already are.

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Well duh, everything is an opinion on here.

But I'm not talking about the player (and before anyone says it, no, it's not about T-mac either), I'm talking about risk vs reward and we can't keep taking the massive risks in the first few rounds of the draft.

I'd rather reach on a player with a higher floor but lower ceiling, or trade down, than take such a raw prospect who's success is going to be more dependent on how well we'll coach them up vs how good they already are.

You've said you regularly seen him fall to the 2nd.   That's simply not true.   You've said there are different opinions on him when 98% of the grades are at least top 15.   

Edited 10 hours ago by mrcompletely11

[jfra78]

10 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Love how the consensus on here is a player I've regularly seen fall into the 2nd round in mock drafts but everyone here is sold on him at #8.

I'm not saying he will or should fall to the 2nd, but it shows how drastically different opinions are on him, just not the type of prospect (position/player aside) that I'd like to see us take in the Top 10, we can't keep taking risks on low floor uber high ceiling type of guys, it's how we keep putting ourselves behind the 8 ball in building out our roster

Most mocks have him in the top 15, if there's one that has him 2nd round then it's an outlier 

[jfra78]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You've said you regularly seen him fall to the 2nd.   That's simply not true.   You've said there are different opinions on him when 98% of the grades are at least top 15.   

He has said this before, I think he is confusing Jalon with Deone

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You've said you regularly seen him fall to the 2nd.   That's simply not true.   You've said there are different opinions on him when 98% of the grades are at least top 15.   

I'm not saying he falls to the 2nd in most, but I do regularly (as in multiple times a week) look at mock drafts that have him falling to the 2nd, even if it's only 15% of the mocks, it shows how drastic the opinions are of him.

I don't see any of the other "projected Top 10" guys falling into the 2nd in any mocks, sure maybe some fall into the mid teens or even early 20's, but that's the furthest I think I've seen any of them fall.

Walker is the picture perfect example of the prospect who moves up draft boards after the NCAA season has ended, because people fall in love with his physical traits more than what he's shown on the field.

Those players scare the living daylights out of me, and we're just not in the position as a franchise right now to take those risks in my very honest opinion.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I'm not saying he falls to the 2nd in most, but I do regularly (as in multiple times a week) look at mock drafts that have him falling to the 2nd, even if it's only 15% of the mocks, it shows how drastic the opinions are of him.

I don't see any of the other "projected Top 10" guys falling into the 2nd in any mocks, sure maybe some fall into the mid teens or even early 20's, but that's the furthest I think I've seen any of them fall.

Walker is the picture perfect example of the prospect who moves up draft boards after the NCAA season has ended, because people fall in love with his physical traits more than what he's shown on the field.

Those players scare the living daylights out of me, and we're just not in the position as a franchise right now to take those risks in my very honest opinion.

please link one

[Jon Snow]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

please link one

He thinks mock drafts are indicators of a players rank. One has nothing to do with the other but he will not listen. Now if he can find a scouts ranking of this class the have him as a second rounder I want to know who that scout is so I can ignore his rankings because he would be an outlier.

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

He thinks mock drafts are indicators of a players rank. One has nothing to do with the other but he will not listen. Now if he can find a scouts ranking of this class the have him as a second rounder I want to know who that scout is so I can ignore his rankings because he would be an outlier.

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2025/jalon-walker

Year	Proj. Rd	Ovr Rank	Best Rank	1st Rd %	Consensus	Actual	Stars
2025	1st	13th	12th	66.7%	8th

[tukafan21]

9 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

He thinks mock drafts are indicators of a players rank. One has nothing to do with the other but he will not listen. Now if he can find a scouts ranking of this class the have him as a second rounder I want to know who that scout is so I can ignore his rankings because he would be an outlier.

Not remotely accurate, I very well know that mock drafts aren't rankings. 

As I've said, Walker wasn't viewed as a consensus 1st rounder 2 months ago, let alone a Top 10 guy.  He's an athletic freak who teams/scouts are salivating over because of his potential and what they think they can turn him into, not because he's a blue chip prospect.

I don't like those kind of players, I utterly despise taking those late risers on draft boards because it's usually about physical traits, not actual football ability.  That viewpoint of mine has nothing to do with Walker other than him being that guy in this position right now, but it's how I've always felt about all players in the draft.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2025/jalon-walker

Year	Proj. Rd	Ovr Rank	Best Rank	1st Rd %	Consensus	Actual	Stars
2025	1st	13th	12th	66.7%	8th

That is about where he's been consistently ranked among his class. I usually throw out the highest and lowest ranking myself and take the average to go by.

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Not remotely accurate, I very well know that mock drafts aren't rankings. 

As I've said, Walker wasn't viewed as a consensus 1st rounder 2 months ago, let alone a Top 10 guy.  He's an athletic freak who teams/scouts are salivating over because of his potential and what they think they can turn him into, not because he's a blue chip prospect.

I don't like those kind of players, I utterly despise taking those late risers on draft boards because it's usually about physical traits, not actual football ability.  That viewpoint of mine has nothing to do with Walker other than him being that guy in this position right now, but it's how I've always felt about all players in the draft.

show your work and kindly go sit in the corner