Joe Person: Projecting moves based on vibes

[WarPanthers89]

There is always more to the story than we as fans see. Multiple reports over the last year suggest that Moton’s knee issues may be a bigger problem than we realize. I’m 100000% on board with keeping Moton as he has been one of the only consistent players over the years, but looking at it from the teams perspective, if they feel the knees will be getting worse, it’s not a terrible plan to let him play out the last year of his contract and look for a replacement. You know we will be paying Icky and you simply cannot have 4/5th of the line signed to mega contracts long term. Center and RT may need to be younger players on cheaper contracts 

Edited Wednesday at 03:30 PM by WarPanthers89

[thunderraiden]

14 hours ago, MHS831 said:

OK, Lets play along.  Person stakes his reputation on the fact that the Panthers will not extend Moton. Bank on it.  It is signed, sealed and delivered.  Carved in stone.  Does that mean he gets a $31m cap number this season? What does that mean?

1. If we trade Moton pre June 1, We would save over $12m and get a pick or player later.  Most of the teams in need of a RT are at the end of the round.  They are competing for Lombardis, so they might really like an elite OT that they can sign and give a 2-year extension, mitigating the costs for a proven veteran.  Everyone wins.  Why would a team do that?  Ask KC.  With the Patriots, Dolphins, Ravens, Rams, Chiefs, Bears, Jets etc. all predicted to have OT as their #1 need, only the Patriots and Jets would have access to the top 2 OTs in the draft, leaving 5 or more scrambling for a second-tier OT.  Stay tuned.

2.  The Panthers would then be in line to draft a RT.  Both Simmons (Ohio State) and Membou (Missouri) are experienced at RT and could start right away.  So you get rid of about $12m of cap, add a draft pick, and trade an aging veteran and draft a young RT. Risky, but you get a younger, elite T, a draft pick, and $12m for a free agent S and Mike Jack at CB--not out of the question.

So, if the Panthers are not extending Moton like Person swore on his life, are they trading him?  Possible, or maybe not.

Just want to point out that Person, in fact, thinks the panthers extends him and OP cant read.

[Jay Roosevelt]

1) Joe Person is an idiot.

2) We finally 'fixed' the OL last year; we don't need to be letting our most dependable player on the unit walk now.

3) A 2-3 year extension is a no-brainer. Allows us to keep him for (probably) the rest of his career and lower his cap hit this year. Also buys us time to find a long-term replacement.

[MHS831]

Joe is vibing now?  He is interpreting vibes and sharing his vibeness with his readership?  Nice work, gumshoe.  Thanks for digging into your plethora of contacts and sources and giving us your vibes.

[mrcompletely11]

44 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

3) A 2-3 year extension is a no-brainer. Allows us to keep him for (probably) the rest of his career and lower his cap hit this year. Also buys us time to find a long-term replacement.

Just curious what would a 2-3 year extension look like?   I mean you have to pay him at some point.  And Morgan is right it's not smart to keep kicking it down the road 

[MHS831]

14 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

https://x.com/josephperson/status/1891867382135558522?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

Just say "I don't know" and move on.  "Possibly.  But there is a chance..."  No poo.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, thunderraiden said:

Just want to point out that Person, in fact, thinks the panthers extends him and OP cant read.

I just don't think Persons is in the loop.  I worked weekends at the Observer a long time ago in the Sports Department and I can tell you that the guy I worked with the most, Rick Bonnell, was in the loop.  He knew stuff long before it happened.  In fact, when it was rumored (I wrote about this a few days ago) that Valvano was going to the NBA, Rick called VALVANO.  Joe just reads tweets from other reporters he follows.  There is a trust between a team and the reporter--and if you violate it--you get shut out.   Repeating rumors or injecting your gut feelings with no more credibility than anyone on this board is not journalism, and teams (pro, college, etc) will not give you information that provides insights into a developing story.  Rick told me, "It is like dancing at a ball--they lead, you follow, and you do not cause them to misstep."  I never forgot things he told me.  David Poole used to cover NASCAR and he knew all kinds of interesting things that came true, but he never revealed these things until they became news.  

I see Person as a clown, a 50-year old boy scout looking for merit badges.  His fluff, if you go back, is usually 50/50 and he is not right most of the time.

I also worked for the Capital Newspaper in Annapolis Maryland and used to use my press pass to sit in the press box and eat free food and watch the Orioles while pretending to cover the game.  That is where I met some REAL sports reporters.  The Baltimore Sun--even recently, they were breaking Panther stories before the Panther reporters were. 

Edited Wednesday at 05:26 PM by MHS831

[MHS831]

29 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Just curious what would a 2-3 year extension look like?   I mean you have to pay him at some point.  And Morgan is right it's not smart to keep kicking it down the road 

Since I PROVED to you that the "prime" for a T is not based on average career length and he has knee concerns (as you know, a big man with knee issues is not good) you would have to speculate his value over the next 3 years (2025-2027).  My guess would be a 3 year (combine 2025 salary with 2026 and 2027 new money), $55-60m extension with only about $35m guaranteed.  That would still drop our cap hit (from $31 to $20m for 2025) as much as cutting him would (almost).  I would not guarantee it much more than the $31m he is set to receive.  From Moton's perspective, he has to know that he is not as marketable as a 32-year old free agent as now, so the opportunity to make $$ at the high end of the pay scale for a 32-year old tackle would be appealing.  Morgan would also have an out, since the extension was front loaded and only $35m guaranteed. Not sure if this is a deal both sides would do or if it is doable, but in my crazy world--it is a groovy idea.  If his knee gets worse this year, he would not get a third contract anyway, and if it does not, he has $40m waiting for him.  Just pure speculation--what were you thinking? 

Edited Wednesday at 05:41 PM by MHS831

[DeeJay]

Why hasnt anybody told Joe Person he's a moron a clown an idiot a doofus.

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

There is always more to the story than we as fans see. Multiple reports over the last year suggest that Moton’s knee issues may be a bigger problem than we realize. I’m 100000% on board with keeping Moton as he has been one of the only consistent players over the years, but looking at it from the teams perspective, if they feel the knees will be getting worse, it’s not a terrible plan to let him play out the last year of his contract and look for a replacement. You know we will be paying Icky and you simply cannot have 4/5th of the line signed to mega contracts long term. Center and RT may need to be younger players on cheaper contracts 

good post.  covers it all.

[MHS831]

58 minutes ago, DeeJay said:

Why hasnt anybody told Joe Person he's a moron a clown an idiot a doofus.

I don't know if that is hair gel for seniors or he simply rubs his head while applying arthritis cream. 

[Waldo]

18 hours ago, MHS831 said:

OK, Lets play along.  Person stakes his reputation on the fact that the Panthers will not extend Moton. Bank on it.  It is signed, sealed and delivered.  Carved in stone.  Does that mean he gets a $31m cap number this season? What does that mean?

1. If we trade Moton pre June 1, We would save over $12m and get a pick or player later.  Most of the teams in need of a RT are at the end of the round.  They are competing for Lombardis, so they might really like an elite OT that they can sign and give a 2-year extension, mitigating the costs for a proven veteran.  Everyone wins.  Why would a team do that?  Ask KC.  With the Patriots, Dolphins, Ravens, Rams, Chiefs, Bears, Jets etc. all predicted to have OT as their #1 need, only the Patriots and Jets would have access to the top 2 OTs in the draft, leaving 5 or more scrambling for a second-tier OT.  Stay tuned.

2.  The Panthers would then be in line to draft a RT.  Both Simmons (Ohio State) and Membou (Missouri) are experienced at RT and could start right away.  So you get rid of about $12m of cap, add a draft pick, and trade an aging veteran and draft a young RT. Risky, but you get a younger, elite T, a draft pick, and $12m for a free agent S and Mike Jack at CB--not out of the question.

So, if the Panthers are not extending Moton like Person swore on his life, are they trading him?  Possible, or maybe not.

Not working on Moton's deal means the door is open to anything. That's a positive. Hell just keeping him and not pushing cap into dead years is a win given the recent contracts they were giving out.

It's a little difficult for me to swallow a teade and replace by draft for Moton. On one side it's being proactive with keeping the oline good and getting a rookie on a rookie deal vs an aging vet on a bloated last year witg last years sognings, that cap can be reallocated to other places. On the other hand it's focusing on the one strength while doing nada to improve the vast weaknesses they have elsewhere. Whatever they would potentially trade him for would have to be worth the risk of trying to replace him before he really needed to be replaced IMO. Sounds Maden easy theoretically but could easily backfire hard.

Edit: The posible knee situation is a real wrench in the spokes.

Edited Wednesday at 06:59 PM by Waldo

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Joe is vibing now?  He is interpreting vibes and sharing his vibeness with his readership?  Nice work, gumshoe.  Thanks for digging into your plethora of contacts and sources and giving us your vibes.

Which is more believable? Joe Person actually has reliable inside sources or Juan really doesn't know how to embed tweets? 

[Jay Roosevelt]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Just curious what would a 2-3 year extension look like?   I mean you have to pay him at some point.  And Morgan is right it's not smart to keep kicking it down the road 

Depends. You determine the cap number you'd like him to carry this year, then take whatever's left and spread it out over the final 2 years of the deal. It won't be cheap, but quality starting tackles aren't cheap regardless.