Andy Dalton Re-signed

[PanthersNCSU]

11 hours ago, bigjohn said:

 has helped Bryce through his struggles was more important than bringing in competition.

This is an underrated part of it to me. It *seems* (hopefully) that Bryce is mentally in a better place and hopefully continues on his upward trajectory.

But, if he is a mental midget. A. We're screwed. B. Bringing in competition might have a negative impact on him, as crazy as that is for a competitor. So, you keep his friend/mentor, you don't rock the boat, and you hope he starts next season on fire and moves beyond whatever demons he had once and for all. If the demons surface again, we have our answer on Bryce, and Dalton isn't going to play us out of a top pick. 

[Johnstonny]

11 hours ago, BullCityP said:

Where are you gonna find this magical guy to "challenge" Bryce lol

Guess it doesn't matter, we don't have any money anyway...as usual. A 2 year on Fields would be worth investigating.

[Icege]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

How elementary must your brain be if you associate folks not liking this signing to "hating" on bryce?  fuging christ what a slow witted train of thought.

Trigger me timbers!

[BullCityP]

1 hour ago, Johnstonny said:

Guess it doesn't matter, we don't have any money anyway...as usual. A 2 year on Fields would be worth investigating.

No it wouldn't Fields is booty cheeks

[Martin]

People are weird. Andy is a relatively cheap and very experienced backup. He’s well liked on the team and is a good leader overall. We’re not going to get a second starter challenging Bryce, that is not in the cards for this year.

[frankw]

14 hours ago, bigjohn said:

Something to be said about culture as well. The offense started moving in the right direction as the year went on.

The only thing we know about the Panthers culture is after a disastrous start to the season after thinking we didn't need preseason reps our team played better and snagged a few wins after we were eliminated from playoff contention. This team still has everything to prove make no mistake and yes this QB room remains front and center of that.

[CPcavedweller]

3 hours ago, PanthersNCSU said:

This is an underrated part of it to me. It *seems* (hopefully) that Bryce is mentally in a better place and hopefully continues on his upward trajectory.

But, if he is a mental midget. A. We're screwed. B. Bringing in competition might have a negative impact on him, as crazy as that is for a competitor. So, you keep his friend/mentor, you don't rock the boat, and you hope he starts next season on fire and moves beyond whatever demons he had once and for all. If the demons surface again, we have our answer on Bryce, and Dalton isn't going to play us out of a top pick. 

Bryce scored five touchdowns in a game for playoff elimination for the Falcons. He had us in position to beat the two Super Bowl teams. All while having the leagues worst defense. 
 

I was a Bryce detractor. I am not. 

[PanthersATL]

18 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Sweet.  We have a washed up ass on the bench.  

Got the jersey already, Let's GO!

[jayboogieman]

I don't like the signing because of Dalton's age and the wear and tear he's suffered over the years. I'd prefer someone a few years younger just so if they had to play, they could handle the playing time without falling apart.

That said, if you're playing your backup QB, your season is over with anyway with very few exceptions to that rule. So, meh.

[MHS831]

4 hours ago, PanthersNCSU said:

This is an underrated part of it to me. It *seems* (hopefully) that Bryce is mentally in a better place and hopefully continues on his upward trajectory.

But, if he is a mental midget. A. We're screwed. B. Bringing in competition might have a negative impact on him, as crazy as that is for a competitor. So, you keep his friend/mentor, you don't rock the boat, and you hope he starts next season on fire and moves beyond whatever demons he had once and for all. If the demons surface again, we have our answer on Bryce, and Dalton isn't going to play us out of a top pick. 

Yes.  What we tend to forget is that we are talking about a 23.5 year old kid.  I think most of us would have folded after the 2023 season and then being benched after two games in 2024.  Lotta pressure.  So I am not in the "mental midget" camp, but I see that possibility.  I think he developed some scar tissue, but I do believe he is still fragile and will see a slump in the future--how will he react?  When Bryce was threw a TD at the end of 2024, it was believed that he was smiling and pointing at Dalton, who was doing the same back. 

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, jayboogieman said:

I don't like the signing because of Dalton's age and the wear and tear he's suffered over the years. I'd prefer someone a few years younger just so if they had to play, they could handle the playing time without falling apart.

That said, if you're playing your backup QB, your season is over with anyway with very few exceptions to that rule. So, meh.

Not sure how much wear and tear he took compared to aging QBs like Rodgers, Stafford, Cousins, or Russell Wilson, for example, since Dalton spent a lot of his career as a backup.  But yes, "meh." if you lose your starter.  I hope that a Brock Purdy is sitting there late day 3.  I think you can protect your 3rd qb on the PS--emergency qb, or something like that.  In other words, still add a young QB to complete, but for now, have him compete with Plummer.

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Not sure how much wear and tear he took compared to aging QBs like Rodgers, Stafford, Cousins, or Russell Wilson, for example, since Dalton spent a lot of his career as a backup.  But yes, "meh." if you lose your starter.  I hope that a Brock Purdy is sitting there late day 3.  I think you can protect your 3rd qb on the PS--emergency qb, or something like that.  In other words, still add a young QB to complete, but for now, have him compete with Plummer.

I've been wondering if we did spend a day 3 pick on a QB, would we end up having a chance to develop him if he wasn't on the 53 man roster. Stashing him on the PS seems kind of risky if you think you have someone who could become something. There's really only 2 roster spots devoted to the QB position and JMO, you should always try to be developing both unless you're a serious playoff contender. At that point, having a short term starter level backup is essential. You need someone who can come in, play a few games, and not go 0-3. Otherwise, it should be about improving your overall talent level, and moving on from those that don't make the cut. 

[frankw]

1 hour ago, jayboogieman said:

I don't like the signing because of Dalton's age and the wear and tear he's suffered over the years. I'd prefer someone a few years younger just so if they had to play, they could handle the playing time without falling apart.

That said, if you're playing your backup QB, your season is over with anyway with very few exceptions to that rule. So, meh.

Well. Let's just all be up front with one another here. I mean we've been optimistic and hopeful because generally every fanbase is this time of year even for the worst teams like ours. But what percentage would you say our odds of finishing with a winning record are this upcoming season? 25% at best? And that's being optimistic.

At the point where our season is over and we've moved onto a backup it would be only about the development of the core young players on the roster. Unfortunately there won't be much if any development with a 38 year old QB that finished with one of the worst passer ratings in the league. And whom let's just be completely blunt here. Played so horrifically after that lone Raiders win that the Panthers logged as much mileage as humanly possible out of a thumb sprain so that they wouldn't even have to so much as look at Andy Dalton behind center again.

My opinion is that the Panthers are once again banking on comfortability. For Bryce Young. Maybe it will work. Then again. This is the logic of a franchise that has the worst win percentage in professional sports so it's perfectly rational to be skeptical.

The biggest plus we have right now is that our #1 pick finished the season on a high note and looked very confident and in command. Of course that doesn't guarantee anything going forward unfortunately. And while I am more confident in Bryce going forward I am also remaining of the opinion that revamping this QB room to a point where guys are actually pushing one another on the field and in the film room would be significantly more valuable than paying someone who is nearly as old as Derek Anderson that has been retired for 7 years shouting "go get em' Bryce!" and giving him high fives on the sideline. We hired a young offensive minded head coach who is well known for his communication and QB development for this purpose.

If the Panthers kick Jack Plummer to the curb and bring in an actual young QB prospect that has potential and isn't an afterthought at best I'll feel at least marginally better. But I still see this as a missed opportunity. Time will tell who here was right about this. But we all do want the same thing. I've got no personal hard feelings toward anyone that feels differently to be clear. We will see how it shakes out.

[Johnstonny]

5 hours ago, BullCityP said:

No it wouldn't Fields is booty cheeks

yea...but what else we got... Bryce ain't panning out... so keep stringing that out till the end....so do somethin. But bottom line I don't give a rats what they do...

Edited Wednesday at 08:49 PM by Johnstonny