Is running back on the table for the panthers this draft?

[kungfoodude]

44 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

It's like the GM says, "hey scouts, what would be the top 3 stupidest things to ruin our draft?" They say, don't do a,b,c."  GM says "Great! love the input, so we drat players a,b,c."  Scouts say, "Wait, I thought you said things we SHOULDN'T do?"  GM to scouts, "okay, have a nice day."

I still think we should have kept Fitterer rather than fire him. Ask him his top 2 guys on the board every round and immediately remove them from our board entirely.

[45catfan]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I still think we should have kept Fitterer rather than fire him. Ask him his top 2 guys on the board every round and immediately remove them from our board entirely.

Apparently Dan learned too much from Scott over the years.

[Basbear]

3 hours ago, Shotgun said:

That draft is a fireable offense to me. A receiver that can't catch and a RB that can't run with the first two picks? We keep digging the hole deeper every year.

 

23 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

XL is trending bust.

Brooks is a bust.

Wallace is even money-ish.

Sanders is trending positive.

Smith-Wade is a surprise.

Crumedy/Barrett are irrelevant.

It's Fitterer to the nth degree.

I fear we will see it again this season.

 

 

Not that Im defending that group or nothing. Its still too early to label it a success or failure. The biggest jump in most players career comes at season 2. You've had 2 full-offseason, *you should understand the massive playbook, you know what is expected from coaches. After a few early weeks into the season, I feel you can start saying _____ is trash etc. 

Plus the facts are you have 7-8 draft picks each year and if you only get 2 starters and one backup/STer role, that is considered "good". You can pick out nearly any team and check the last few years. So the good level is 2.5 "hits". There are rare drafts rams, Seahawks, ravens(I think they are the best 5th round drafting team easy), iants, cowboys have one of those draft in which they land 5 starters and couple top backups/STers. Those can change the course of a teams future. Panthers have never had one.... 

[kungfoodude]

17 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

 

 

Not that Im defending that group or nothing. Its still too early to label it a success or failure. The biggest jump in most players career comes at season 2. You've had 2 full-offseason, *you should understand the massive playbook, you know what is expected from coaches. After a few early weeks into the season, I feel you can start saying _____ is trash etc. 

Plus the facts are you have 7-8 draft picks each year and if you only get 2 starters and one backup/STer role, that is considered "good". You can pick out nearly any team and check the last few years. So the good level is 2.5 "hits". There are rare drafts rams, Seahawks, ravens(I think they are the best 5th round drafting team easy), iants, cowboys have one of those draft in which they land 5 starters and couple top backups/STers. Those can change the course of a teams future. Panthers have never had one.... 

I think the story for Brooks as a Panther has already been written. So with a 2nd round pick, we have a guy that will likely leave the team with less than a season of games total played. 

XL could turn it around but I suspect his sophomore year is gonna be pretty rough. That is usually the time players often struggle, even after they popped as a rookie. We have seen this over and over.

If this trend goes forward and especially if Wallace doesn't become a league average starter, that draft is every bit as bad as the worst Fitterer drafts.

I really, really, REALLY hated that draft at the time(minus Sanders) and unfortunately it isn't looking very good to date.

I hope we turn it around this time but, TBH, I see the seeds of failure with the way our draft is currently set up. 8th is prime for a bad reach and then we don’t pick until 57. If we are smart(outside of a real elite guy dropping to 8), we maneuver to get 3 picks in the top 60. 

[Basbear]

22 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the story for Brooks as a Panther has already been written. So with a 2nd round pick, we have a guy that will likely leave the team with less than a season of games total played. 

XL could turn it around but I suspect his sophomore year is gonna be pretty rough. That is usually the time players often struggle, even after they popped as a rookie. We have seen this over and over.

If this trend goes forward and especially if Wallace doesn't become a league average starter, that draft is every bit as bad as the worst Fitterer drafts.

I really, really, REALLY hated that draft at the time(minus Sanders) and unfortunately it isn't looking very good to date.

I hope we turn it around this time but, TBH, I see the seeds of failure with the way our draft is currently set up. 8th is prime for a bad reach and then we don’t pick until 57. If we are smart(outside of a real elite guy dropping to 8), we maneuver to get 3 picks in the top 60. 

 

I agree about hating the draft, the only pick I liked was sanders as well.

It's rare for ones book to be fully written within the same draft year....does look that way and I hated that brooks pick.

They did cut troy hill to give the NB to Chau Smith-Wade, but injuries got him.

If Crumedy can be a backup, that's a win cause most DL backups get around 20 snaps per. 

I got no read or idea on Wallace.

Brooks is a longshot.

XL played hurt for the entire year, lets see how he's looking during OTA, TC, etc. 

 

If If if you have a healthy focused XL starting, Wallace *wins the MLB job, sanders is either #1-#2 TE, CSW wins the starting NB, and crumbs is a top backup. That draft will be a super success and its very possible given the lack of cap space. You can view it from the positive side too, given we still don't know...(poor brooks tho.)

We will know 3x more once the full off-season is compete. 

Edited Monday at 10:29 PM by Basbear

[micnificent28]

15 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the story for Brooks as a Panther has already been written. So with a 2nd round pick, we have a guy that will likely leave the team with less than a season of games total played. 

XL could turn it around but I suspect his sophomore year is gonna be pretty rough. That is usually the time players often struggle, even after they popped as a rookie. We have seen this over and over.

If this trend goes forward and especially if Wallace doesn't become a league average starter, that draft is every bit as bad as the worst Fitterer drafts.

I really, really, REALLY hated that draft at the time(minus Sanders) and unfortunately it isn't looking very good to date.

I hope we turn it around this time but, TBH, I see the seeds of failure with the way our draft is currently set up. 8th is prime for a bad reach and then we don’t pick until 57. If we are smart(outside of a real elite guy dropping to 8), we maneuver to get 3 picks in the top 60. 

I don't disagree with your analysis on the players. But I think you have to add in undrafted rookies to the class. Adding in Coker who looked every bit the contributor or more than xl is a win.  To a much lesser degree we got some good snaps from Demani Richardson. I don't remember the last time we had any success with undrafted free agents so I'm willing to see a bit more of this before making my final judgement.

[pantherclaw]

I am of the opinion,  a team can draft a RB every year.  

RB and LB are the most oft injured positions in the NFL, and also positions that you can never truly have to many good players at these positions. 

I'd prefer they at least wait until round 3. 

[micnificent28]

22 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I am of the opinion,  a team can draft a RB every year.  

RB and LB are the most oft injured positions in the NFL, and also positions that you can never truly have to many good players at these positions. 

I'd prefer they at least wait until round 3. 

This.. this is my thoughts exactly. You probably should take a pass rusher every year and a running back dude to wear and tear on the body. That said 3rd round will probably be high for a rb by most of the boards standards. If an elite talent is there I wouldn't close the door on it.

[raleigh-panther]

Dan should know, as a former player,  what winning pro teams know 

Football begins and ends with the lines and quality backups for them

XL, and certainly Brooks, reaches when you know you have gutted the defense …and you have a young guy who could have  set your center position for 10 years sitting there for the taking 

yes he brought in OGs for Young, but until those lines were finished, that should have been the focus

if they want to start winning for the next decade. That needs to be the focus

on WRs, for whatever the reason, franchise sucks at drafting them. Just dont do it

[kungfoodude]

10 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I don't disagree with your analysis on the players. But I think you have to add in undrafted rookies to the class. Adding in Coker who looked every bit the contributor or more than xl is a win.  To a much lesser degree we got some good snaps from Demani Richardson. I don't remember the last time we had any success with undrafted free agents so I'm willing to see a bit more of this before making my final judgement.

Yeah, and those are great but you have to hit on your drafted players ultimately. The hit in the UDFA ranks are just such a small pool that you are basically always chasing outlier statistics to attempt to win. That just isn't a successful model.

 

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

I am of the opinion,  a team can draft a RB every year.  

RB and LB are the most oft injured positions in the NFL, and also positions that you can never truly have to many good players at these positions. 

I'd prefer they at least wait until round 3. 

I would add that for OL and DL, TBH.