What top 10 prospect do you absolutely NOT want?

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Ok let's say Tets supporting cast and Hunter playing both ways cancel each other out....Hunter STILL had the better season!! And I doubt playing one more game Tet was gonna make up those receptions and get 7 more TDs lol

WHAT?!?!?!?!

Honestly for the life of me, I can't figure out what you're saying here.  How are you saying their supporting casts cancel each other out and Hunter STILL had the better season?

The supporting cast is LITERALLY the reason that he had the better season statistically.  If you put T-Mac on Colorado in place of Hunter, I'm 100% convinced he'd have had better stats than Hunter did, as he already had almost the same number of catches, and more yards, with a significantly worse QB and with zero other offensive weapons to take any attention away from him like Hunter had.

If you think Hunter having 7 more TDs is more because of Hunter vs T-Mac and not because Hunter's QB had literally DOUBLE the number of TD's this year than T-Mac's QB, then I have some Arizona oceanfront property to sell you.

Edited Sunday at 09:13 PM by tukafan21

[BullCityP]

7 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

He spent the entire season complaining on podcasts that he wasn't the Heisman favorite.  He then flew entirely across the country on his bye week to show up to College Gameday in person to again, campaign for himself for Heisman.

His coach posted a video of him "stealing" shoes from Deion's personal locker room because he thought it was funny.  But do you really think that would fly with any other player or coach in the nation?  

If you don't think these things are red flags of a potential diva when his NFL HC isn't a surrogate father to him, then again, you're sticking your head in the sand.

 

You do know you have to be invited to College GameDay? They called him out there and asked him about it and he answered it. And do you think he would have this type of interactions with a coach he doesn't have that type of relationship with? You're reaching to the furthest extent lol. I've seen a video of Hunter literally getting cursed out by Shedeur by not catching a BAD pass from Sanders and he didn't say anything just went out and caught a TD pass the next play! A "diva" would've got into a shouting match with his QB 

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Nah I wanna see these NFL evaluators talking about his prospects at WR aren't good because I would LOVE to see thier explanations 

Richard Sherman got dog piled for basically saying he didn't stand out as a WR prospect but looked elite as a CB prospect. A few months ago you could find other players commenting on his limited route tree and raw route running but the search algorithms are flooded with love affair right now.

The guy is the best CB prospect in years and he'll contribute on offense too. That is the absolute opposite of a knock on the guy. It's just the people buying into him being a full time two way player in the NFL like he was at Colorado who gets their panties in a wad over just stating the simple reality that he ain't gonna be a full time two way player at the NFL level with 17 games seasons and no Travis Hunter fan should want that either if you want the guy to make it to a second contract.

[BullCityP]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Richard Sherman got dog piled for basically saying he didn't stand out as a WR prospect but looked elite as a CB prospect. A few months ago you could find other players commenting on his limited route tree and raw route running but the search algorithms are flooded with love affair right now.

The guy is the best CB prospect in years and he'll contribute on offense too. That is the absolute opposite of a knock on the guy. It's just the people buying into him being a full time two way player in the NFL like he was at Colorado who gets their panties in a wad over just stating the simple reality that he ain't gonna be a full time two way player at the NFL level with 17 games seasons and no Travis Hunter fan should want that either if you want the guy to make it to a second contract.

The point I'm making if a player goes out and wins the Biletnikoff award while being a "raw receiver" they should have NO questions with drafting him lol

[BullCityP]

21 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

WHAT?!?!?!?!

Honestly for the life of me, I can't figure out what you're saying here.  How are you saying their supporting casts cancel each other out and Hunter STILL had the better season?

The supporting cast is LITERALLY the reason that he had the better season statistically.  If you put T-Mac on Colorado in place of Hunter, I'm 100% convinced he'd have had better stats than Hunter did, as he already had almost the same number of catches, and more yards, with a significantly worse QB and with zero other offensive weapons to take any attention away from him like Hunter had.

If you think Hunter having 7 more TDs is more because of Hunter vs T-Mac and not because Hunter's QB had literally DOUBLE the number of TD's this year than T-Mac's QB, then I have some Arizona oceanfront property to sell you.

No I'm saying if you put Tet on Colorado and he played both ways and had to play all those snaps make tackles cover receivers all game ON TOP of being a receiver do you think he would put up the same receiving numbers Hunter did??? I don't think you realize the greatness you just witnessed this season!!

[tukafan21]

Just now, BullCityP said:

The point I'm making if a player goes out and wins the Biletnikoff award while being a "raw receiver" they should have NO questions with drafting him lol

Some recent Biletnikoff winners Jalin Hyatt, James Washington, Dede Westbrook, Corey Coleman

And yes, Chase, Addison, Devonta Smith, Harrison Jr have also won it recently too, but you keep pointing to things that have literally zero bearing on what they could be at the NFL level.

College stats and awards are completely meaningless when it comes to translating their game to the NFL, because they are two very different sports in the end.  It's why so many Heisman winners end up not being anything in the NFL, because you can put up elite stats in college even if you're not going to be a good NFL player, as they're different games.

I'm not saying Hunter will be a bust, and I'm not saying he can't be a good WR or even a great one, but you're putting way too much weight behind the wrong things when trying to project Hunter out as an NFL player.  

Saying a player will be better on one side of the ball than the other, or saying another player will be better than him isn't saying he's a crap prospect, which is something all the Hunter defenders can't see past.  They see any negative thought about him as an attack on who he is as an athlete or what he did in college, but it's not, it's projecting his skillset (and legitimate concerns) to the NFL.

 

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

No I'm saying if you put Tet on Colorado and he played both ways and had to play all those snaps make tackles cover receivers all game ON TOP of being a receiver do you think he would put up the same receiving numbers Hunter did??? I don't think you realize the greatness you just witnessed this season!!

AND THERE IT IS

Thank you, because you posted this as I was typing up my previous response and you did EXACTLY what I said the Hunter defenders do.

You're taking people having very legitimate concerns about how part of his game will translate to the NFL and making it into someone talking bad about him as a college player.

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING

Go back and read every post I made about him this year, I consistently said he's a true generational collegiate talent, one of the rarest of them all.  But that doesn't mean jack squat when it comes to evaluating what kind of player he'll be in the NFL, or even just what position is best for him.

If you want to think differently, that's totally fair, but pointing to things like stats and awards is just making you look like you don't know what you're talking about, because they don't mean anything.  There are so many instances of players putting up elite stats in college but couldn't sniff being even a serviceable NFL player.  Which again, isn't what myself or others are saying about Hunter, but it's just the proof that looking at stats/awards is a fools errand when projecting NFL potential and impact.

Edited Sunday at 09:38 PM by tukafan21

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

The point I'm making if a player goes out and wins the Biletnikoff award while being a "raw receiver" they should have NO questions with drafting him lol

You're not reading.  This isn't about his college performance. It's about his NFL prospects. The Golden Calf of Bristol was one of the greatest college players of all time. That didn't mean he was a great NFL prospect. Hunter is an elite of the elite NFL CB prospect who was a great college WR too based primarily on absurd physical talent and just natural ball skills. Could he be an elite WR if he focused on that? Honestly, probably. But in terms of him being the best WR prospect in this draft? No. His skill set is just way too raw as a WR. He just looks way more natural and instinctual playing CB.

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're not reading.  This isn't about his college performance. It's about his NFL prospects. The Golden Calf of Bristol was one of the greatest college players of all time. That didn't mean he was a great NFL prospect. Hunter is an elite of the elite NFL CB prospect who was a great college WR too based primarily on absurd physical talent and just natural ball skills. Could he be an elite WR if he focused on that? Honestly, probably. But in terms of him being the best WR prospect in this draft? No. His skill set is just way too raw as a WR. He just looks way more natural and instinctual playing CB.

He projects as a gadget option on offense in the NFL. Most of the experts seem pretty aligned on that view. 

[BullCityP]

11 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

AND THERE IT IS

Thank you, because you posted this as I was typing up my previous response and you did EXACTLY what I said the Hunter defenders do.

You're taking people having very legitimate concerns about how part of his game will translate to the NFL and making it into someone talking bad about him as a college player.

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING

Go back and read every post I made about him this year, I consistently said he's a true generational collegiate talent, one of the rarest of them all.  But that doesn't mean jack squat when it comes to evaluating what kind of player he'll be in the NFL, or even just what position is best for him.

If you want to think differently, that's totally fair, but pointing to things like stats and awards is just making you look like you don't know what you're talking about, because they don't mean anything.  There are so many instances of players putting up elite stats in college but couldn't sniff being even a serviceable NFL player.  Which again, isn't what myself or others are saying about Hunter, but it's just the proof that looking at stats/awards is a fools errand when projecting NFL potential and impact.

What part of Tets game makes you think he's a better NFL wr prospect than Hunter I'm really interested in hearing this?? What do you think he does that will translate better than what Hunter can do?

[BullCityP]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He projects as a gadget option on offense in the NFL. Most of the experts seem pretty aligned on that view. 

How?? I asked you to post the links with the "experts" saying this you still haven't posted any, I'm really curious to seeing what they say? Hunter is a pure football play natural hands great rac if you say he's not crisp with his routes that can easily be taught I wanna see what I'm missing. Show me ONE expert that say he's gonna be a gadget player I'm pretty sure you can't because you're making that up lololol

[BullCityP]

18 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're not reading.  This isn't about his college performance. It's about his NFL prospects. The Golden Calf of Bristol was one of the greatest college players of all time. That didn't mean he was a great NFL prospect. Hunter is an elite of the elite NFL CB prospect who was a great college WR too based primarily on absurd physical talent and just natural ball skills. Could he be an elite WR if he focused on that? Honestly, probably. But in terms of him being the best WR prospect in this draft? No. His skill set is just way too raw as a WR. He just looks way more natural and instinctual playing CB.

So having "absurd physical talent and natural ball skills" doesn't make you great NFL prospect??? Hahaha haha you do know the meaning of prospect right?

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

How?? I asked you to post the links with the "experts" saying this you still haven't posted any, I'm really curious to seeing what they say? Hunter is a pure football play natural hands great rac if you say he's not crisp with his routes that can easily be taught I wanna see what I'm missing. Show me ONE expert that say he's gonna be a gadget player I'm pretty sure you can't because you're making that up lololol

I am not sure what sort of episode you are having right now or what meds you need to be taking, but I hope it works out for you.

[BullCityP]

Hunter has the best collegiate career AND the most upside!! Lolol so you guys are talking in circles. He is the best wr coming out of college and NO receiver has more upside than him so whichever argument you wanna use is void