What top 10 prospect do you absolutely NOT want?

[BullCityP]

21 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Hunter's big red flags are mileage. He has an INSANE amount of mileage precisely because of the two way play.

That is not sustainable at the NFL level.

Now this argument I can understand but people saying they would be scared to draft him like he isn’t that guy is ridiculous lol 

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Travis had 95 rec for 1258 and FIFTEEN TD's Tet had 84 rec for 1319 and 8 TD's. So Hunter had more yards AND touchdowns while playing BOTH ways!! Lolol what are we even talking about here?? And Johnson is a very good zone corner playing behind a good Michigan Dline but as far as manning up 1v1 locking down a receiver it's Hunter and it's not close!! Hunter is literally the best WR AND CB in this draft. 

He's nowhere close to being the best WR if you listen to people who understand playing WR at the NFL level. He was basically just an elite NFL athlete feasting on playing against college competition. He wasn't winning with technique he was just being a lot better athlete than the college DBs. He's an NFL CB who will likely have a handful of plays drawn up for him to contribute situationally on offense, half of them likely just using him as a decoy.

[BullCityP]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's nowhere close to being the best WR if you listen to people who understand playing WR at the NFL level. He was basically just an elite NFL athlete feasting on playing against college competition. He wasn't winning with technique he was just being a lot better athlete than the college DBs. He's an NFL CB who will likely have a handful of plays drawn up for him to contribute situationally on offense, half of them likely just using him as a decoy.

Please post the link to these people saying these things. Dudes feet and separation is amazing lol 

[kungfoodude]

22 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Now this argument I can understand but people saying they would be scared to draft him like he isn’t that guy is ridiculous lol 

He is overwhelmingly the best prospect in this draft. There is zero question at all about this. 

To suggest otherwise is being purposely ignorant.

[jb2288]

10 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Please post the link to these people saying these things. Dudes feet and separation is amazing lol 

I agree with you he is clear cut #1 CB and it isn’t particularly close. And I really like Johnson as well. WR I don’t think he is the best right now but most likely has the highest ceiling. His body control and athleticism is generationally elite. He cannot run routes tho lol he’s out there playing backyard. That can be taught, but I think he ends up a full time CB in the NFL 

[LinvilleGorge]

23 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Please post the link to these people saying these things. Dudes feet and separation is amazing lol 

Yeah he's an elite NFL athlete. His route running is raw as hell because he's a CB playing WR. He's a plug and play CB. He's an elite project as a WR. He's going to be a a CB with a package of plays as a WR.

[Aussie Tank]

I don't get the Hunter hate. Just imagine his ceiling if he stopped trying to be this 2way freak and focused on one side of the ball 

[BullCityP]

26 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

I don't get the Hunter hate. Just imagine his ceiling if he stopped trying to be this 2way freak and focused on one side of the ball 

Because he's affiliated with Prime and Shedeur. I seen one poster say he's gonna be a diva when he's show ZERO signs of being that kind of player as a matter of fact he's shown the complete opposite lol 

[BullCityP]

1 hour ago, jb2288 said:

I agree with you he is clear cut #1 CB and it isn’t particularly close. And I really like Johnson as well. WR I don’t think he is the best right now but most likely has the highest ceiling. His body control and athleticism is generationally elite. He cannot run routes tho lol he’s out there playing backyard. That can be taught, but I think he ends up a full time CB in the NFL 

Nah you don't go out and put up the numbers he did without being able to run routes dude is a football junky so he works on his craft he isn’t THAT much more athletic than other players to just be able to go out and do whatever and succeed at that level 

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, BullCityP said:

Travis had 95 rec for 1258 and FIFTEEN TD's Tet had 84 rec for 1319 and 8 TD's. So Hunter had more yards AND touchdowns while playing BOTH ways!! Lolol what are we even talking about here?? And Johnson is a very good zone corner playing behind a good Michigan Dline but as far as manning up 1v1 locking down a receiver it's Hunter and it's not close!! Hunter is literally the best WR AND CB in this draft. 

You do realize that raw stats don't make someone a better or worse player, right?

To begin with, the last time I checked, 1,319 is more yards than 1,258, so T-Mac had more yards (but I'll forgive you as a typo there and say you meant catches lol), but that's before even factoring in that Hunter did his in 13 games vs 12 for T-Mac because Arizona didn't make a bowl game.

It's also completely ignoring the team around each player.  If you think Hunter having the 8th place finisher in the Heisman voting at QB isn't going to result in helping his top WRs stats, then you're sticking your head in the sand to purposefully not see it.

Hunter's QB had 353 completions for 4,134 yards and 37 TDs vs T-Mac's QB who had 260 completions for 2,958 yards and 18 TDs.

But sure, let's rank NFL prospects by their stats and say the guy with more catches and TDs is the better prospect.  So on that note, I now change my mind, T-Mac is no longer the best WR in the draft, it's Nick Nash who had 104 rec, 1,382 yards, and 16 TDs, all numbers better than Hunter's... because that's how this is done, right?

As I've said before, if someone wants to like a player better than someone else that's totally fair, but come with real reasons, talk about their play, but to talk about things like stats as your reasoning, when you ignore the obvious and massive flaws in using those stats in that way, just makes you look dumb.

[BullCityP]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah he's an elite NFL athlete. His route running is raw as hell because he's a CB playing WR. He's a plug and play CB. He's an elite project as a WR. He's going to be a a CB with a package of plays as a WR.

Nah I wanna see these NFL evaluators talking about his prospects at WR aren't good because I would LOVE to see thier explanations 

[tukafan21]

21 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Because he's affiliated with Prime and Shedeur. I seen one poster say he's gonna be a diva when he's show ZERO signs of being that kind of player as a matter of fact he's shown the complete opposite lol 

He spent the entire season complaining on podcasts that he wasn't the Heisman favorite.  He then flew entirely across the country on his bye week to show up to College Gameday in person to again, campaign for himself for Heisman.

His coach posted a video of him "stealing" shoes from Deion's personal locker room because he thought it was funny.  But do you really think that would fly with any other player or coach in the nation?  

If you don't think these things are red flags of a potential diva when his NFL HC isn't a surrogate father to him, then again, you're sticking your head in the sand.

 

[BullCityP]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

You do realize that raw stats don't make someone a better or worse player, right?

To begin with, the last time I checked, 1,319 is more yards than 1,258, so T-Mac had more yards (but I'll forgive you as a typo there and say you meant catches lol), but that's before even factoring in that Hunter did his in 13 games vs 12 for T-Mac because Arizona didn't make a bowl game.

It's also completely ignoring the team around each player.  If you think Hunter having the 8th place finisher in the Heisman voting at QB isn't going to result in helping his top WRs stats, then you're sticking your head in the sand to purposefully not see it.

Hunter's QB had 353 completions for 4,134 yards and 37 TDs vs T-Mac's QB who had 260 completions for 2,958 yards and 18 TDs.

But sure, let's rank NFL prospects by their stats and say the guy with more catches and TDs is the better prospect.  So on that note, I now change my mind, T-Mac is no longer the best WR in the draft, it's Nick Nash who had 104 rec, 1,382 yards, and 16 TDs, all numbers better than Hunter's... because that's how this is done, right?

As I've said before, if someone wants to like a player better than someone else that's totally fair, but come with real reasons, talk about their play, but to talk about things like stats as your reasoning, when you ignore the obvious and massive flaws in using those stats in that way, just makes you look dumb.

Ok let's say Tets supporting cast and Hunter playing both ways cancel each other out....Hunter STILL had the better season!! And I doubt playing one more game Tet was gonna make up those receptions and get 7 more TDs lol

[tukafan21]

53 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

I don't get the Hunter hate. Just imagine his ceiling if he stopped trying to be this 2way freak and focused on one side of the ball 

Yes, that's actually part of the argument against Hunter's prospects, particularly because he's still insisting on being a 2 way player.  He's still putting personal glory over his own personal ceiling as a prospect, because yea, if he focused on either side of the ball, he'd be a better player because of it, while also extending his career (as playing 2 way is a sure fire way to shorten it).

Too many people here think the "hating" on Hunter is just hating him, no, we recognize that he is a true generational college player, but we have concerns about how his game translates to the NFL as well as serious concerns about the beating his body has taken from playing 2 ways for the last 3 years.